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Old 11-12-2007, 12:20 PM
 
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Liberals will tell you it's the 14th Amendment that give illegals their rights.
By liberals do you mean Senator Howard, of the 39th Congress, when in the Senate on May 23rd, 1866, he spoke of the 14th amendment and stated:

"The last two clauses of the first section of the amendment disable a State from depriving not merely a citizen of the United States, but any person, whoever he may be, of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, or from denying to him the equal protection of the laws of the State.”

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""""nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"
It’s a great and broad statement, that ANY PERSON shall not be denied due process. It applies to any person within a US/State jurisdiction. So unfortuantely for you, any illegal immigrant is given due process if they are within US jurisdiction. However fortunately for you, it also applies to you if you are in trouble and within US/State jurisdiction.

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And this is the part they are using. Even tho Section 1 of the 14th Amendment was written only to protect the freed salves and their children. The ACLU uses it all of the time.
So by your rationale, no one else could be allowed to claim any Constitutional protections of the 14th amendment because it was only for freed slaves and their children. So every liberal, conservative, democrat, independent, republican, whig, you, etc… whoever may be in court, they cannot use it now because it doesn’t apply. Is that what your saying? By your reasoning, you can’t use it either unless you were a slave or a child of a slave.

Did you know that even though the issue of slavery was the catalyst to the creation of the 14th amendment, its application was not limited to just slaves? Just refer to Senator Howard who was there during its creation. Of course conservative think tanks would love to tell you “why” something was created and have you believe it only applies in those limited situations. However the creators of the 14th amendment were smarter than that and they created a remedy to fix something and to have it apply to all.

 
Old 11-12-2007, 12:26 PM
 
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The right to due process is not a right to remain in the country illegally. From what I've seen, illegals are not being deported without due process. Illegals and their supporters would have us believe that immigration is a right. It is not.
 
Old 11-12-2007, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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The right to due process is not a right to remain in the country illegally. From what I've seen, illegals are not being deported without due process. Illegals and their supporters would have us believe that immigration is a right. It is not.
Absolutely, nvxplorer . . . any argument about rights or civil rights is downright ridiculous.

Any rights an illegal may have had went "out the window" when he chose to snub his nose at our Immigration Laws and disrespect our Border Patrol Agents.
 
Old 11-12-2007, 07:12 PM
 
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Amendment 14
Civil rights
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

I don’t think Illegals fall under this category of people anyway. Sometimes I wonder what these judges and lawyers see that most Americans don’t.
 
Old 11-12-2007, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Amendment 14
Civil rights
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

I donít think Illegals fall under this category of people anyway. Sometimes I wonder what these judges and lawyers see that most Americans donít.
OK, how would you catorize these folks and their offsprings? Convince me as to why this wouldn't legally apply to US born kids.
 
Old 11-12-2007, 07:59 PM
 
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Absolutely, nvxplorer . . . any argument about rights or civil rights is downright ridiculous.

Any rights an illegal may have had went "out the window" when he chose to snub his nose at our Immigration Laws and disrespect our Border Patrol Agents.
what a misguided perspective. you are making it seem like the primary reason for most illegals crossing over into the US isnt to try and make a better life for themselves. dont bend the truth.
 
Old 11-12-2007, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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what a misguided perspective. you are making it seem like the primary reason for most illegals crossing over into the US isnt to try and make a better life for themselves. dont bend the truth.
Dream on, GHOST

If that's the case, how do you explain the obvious drain on our social systems, the crime, the blatant disrespect for our laws and the huge percentage of illegals in the jails throughout the country?
 
Old 11-12-2007, 09:04 PM
 
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The russians are by far worse. They have no moral code what so ever. Brutality is their trademark.. Keep in mind many of the Russian Mafia are former KGB officers.... Even though many on the left like to say the KGB wasn't so bad tell that to all those who enjoyed time in a KGB detention center....
Dismemberment and torture is the calling card of the Russian Mafia. That would include ones family age makes no differnece. They will brutally rape and sodomize a child to make a point.

They sound about the same to me: Decapitating and feeding people to lions
CNN.com - Transcripts

sex crimes of women and children:
WorldNetDaily: Study: 1 million sex crimes by illegals
 
Old 11-12-2007, 09:24 PM
 
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Dream on, GHOST

If that's the case, how do you explain the obvious drain on our social systems, the crime, the blatant disrespect for our laws and the huge percentage of illegals in the jails throughout the country?
if i tell you, will you concede?

drain on our social systems - a myth. while many of them do use social services, many are also paying into them. many are paying into social security theyll never receive. many are paying taxes. as a nation, we wouldnt be feeling the economic burn if our dollar was actually worth something. we've had immigrants throughout our nation's history, and we've had economic ups and downs the whole way through. that alone should tell us immigrants have relatively less impact on our economy than our own policies. the federal reserve act has taken more money out of our pocket than any mass of illegals could ever dream of.

the crime - part of life. we have crime with illegals, and without them. with illegals, we have more criminals, but we also have more productive members of society. its all the same.

the "disrespect" for our laws - we have many citizens in jail because they disrespect our laws. we have many citizens not in jail who disrespect our laws. ever sped in your car? littered? shoplifted? drank before you were 21? drove slightly intoxicated? jaywalked? loitered? tried marijuana or coke or ecstacy? how do you explain those "disrespects"? i guess your complaint is not exclusive to illegal immigrants, and therefore shouldnt be exclusively attributed to them. logically, that makes them no more of a problem than you or i.

the "large" percentage in jail - they will have a better life in america than they did in mexico almost always. even if theyre collecting welfare, or working under the table for below minimum wage. when you force them into a subculture, you can expect them to be targeted by police, and therefore more frequently incarcerated. there is a larger percentage of black males in jail. and most of them are citizens. what does that mean?
 
Old 11-12-2007, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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if i tell you, will you concede?

drain on our social systems - a myth. while many of them do use social services, many are also paying into them. many are paying into social security theyll never receive. many are paying taxes.
No myth - the myths are in the garbage you spew

States such as California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and many others report that the net economic impact of illegals is in the NEGATIVE $$$'s - The STATES are negatively impacted by illegals - the States get no re-imbursement from the FEDS for the cost of illegal healthcare, illegals education, illegals housing, illegals welfare assistance -

A "small" state (Arizona) recently released a report on 2006 where the STATE went in the HOLE over 1 Billion Dollars solely to cover the costs of illegals

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