This is such BULL! (Canadian, immigrants, unemployment, education)

[GH0ST..]

Originally Posted by Greatday

No myth - the myths are in the garbage you spew

States such as California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and many others report that the net economic impact of illegals is in the NEGATIVE $$$'s - The STATES are negatively impacted by illegals - the States get no re-imbursement from the FEDS for the cost of illegal healthcare, illegals education, illegals housing, illegals welfare assistance -

A "small" state (Arizona) recently released a report on 2006 where the STATE went in the HOLE over 1 Billion Dollars solely to cover the costs of illegals

So, stop spewing your lies -

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[madicarus2000]

Originally Posted by Swordfish

Amendment 14
Civil rights
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

See the bolded portion. Do you know what “All persons born” mean? It means all persons. Where is the limitation in the wording of “all persons born”? Does it mean all black persons? All asians persons? All caucasion persons? All mullatos? Nope, it isnt limited.

Originally Posted by Swordfish

I don’t think Illegals fall under this category of people anyway. Sometimes I wonder what these judges and lawyers see that most Americans don’t.

Well if illegals were not to fall under “all persons born” then it would have stated “all babies born of legal immigrants or citizens…” but it wasn’t. That’s what judges, lawyers, and many people see and understand. What part of “all persons born” has you lost?

[Lakewooder]

"many are paying taxes"

Well "many" if not most avoid the IRS by not reporting cash income. Why do we as citizens live in fear of one mistake on our returns but the illegals for the most part thumb their nose at paying US taxes and send billions home?

And why are they getting special treatment and not being prosecuted as we would for tax fraud?

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by Lakewooder

"many are paying taxes"

Well "many" if not most avoid the IRS by not reporting cash income. Why do we as citizens live in fear of one mistake on our returns but the illegals for the most part thumb their nose at paying US taxes and send billions home?

And why are they getting special treatment and not being prosecuted as we would for tax fraud?

Simple answer to that question, Lakewooder

Many, if not all, Illegals have absolutely no vested interest in The United States and know they are able to run back to their own country at the slight hint of problems. Even if they use a False or Stolen ID, one clever trick is to claim the maximum dependents in order to have zero withheld.

Let's face it, they blatantly snubbed their noses at our laws as well as our Border Patrol Agents when they arrogantly entered this country so why would any other law have any influence on their behavior?

[UNT_Eagle]

Originally Posted by GH0ST..

if i tell you, will you concede?

drain on our social systems - a myth. while many of them do use social services, many are also paying into them. many are paying into social security theyll never receive. many are paying taxes. as a nation, we wouldnt be feeling the economic burn if our dollar was actually worth something. we've had immigrants throughout our nation's history, and we've had economic ups and downs the whole way through. that alone should tell us immigrants have relatively less impact on our economy than our own policies. the federal reserve act has taken more money out of our pocket than any mass of illegals could ever dream of.

the crime - part of life. we have crime with illegals, and without them. with illegals, we have more criminals, but we also have more productive members of society. its all the same.

the "disrespect" for our laws - we have many citizens in jail because they disrespect our laws. we have many citizens not in jail who disrespect our laws. ever sped in your car? littered? shoplifted? drank before you were 21? drove slightly intoxicated? jaywalked? loitered? tried marijuana or coke or ecstacy? how do you explain those "disrespects"? i guess your complaint is not exclusive to illegal immigrants, and therefore shouldnt be exclusively attributed to them. logically, that makes them no more of a problem than you or i.

the "large" percentage in jail - they will have a better life in america than they did in mexico almost always. even if theyre collecting welfare, or working under the table for below minimum wage. when you force them into a subculture, you can expect them to be targeted by police, and therefore more frequently incarcerated. there is a larger percentage of black males in jail. and most of them are citizens. what does that mean?

A Myth? Are you kidding me? Here in Tennessee, a report was just released by the state showing that us Tennesseans paid 285 Million dollars last year because of illegal immigration taking its toll on our hospitals, healthcare, education and crime.

Don't EVEN get me started on what alot of illegals have done to this state, especially Nashville, where the chief of police is actually having these people deported back to Mexico because of the danger they pose to us citizens.

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by UNT_Eagle

A Myth? Are you kidding me? Here in Tennessee, a report was just released by the state showing that us Tennesseans paid 285 Million dollars last year because of illegal immigration taking its toll on our hospitals, healthcare, education and crime.

Don't EVEN get me started on what alot of illegals have done to this state, especially Nashville, where the chief of police is actually having these people deported back to Mexico because of the danger they pose to us citizens.

Unfortunately, UNT_Eagle . . . those statistics are being repeated all over the United States.

[nvxplorer]

Originally Posted by GH0ST..

what a misguided perspective. you are making it seem like the primary reason for most illegals crossing over into the US isnt to try and make a better life for themselves. dont bend the truth.

And you seem to think that "trying to make a better life" endows one with rights, specifically, the right to immigrate. Immigration is not a right. Who's bending the truth?

Get real. EVERYONE is trying to make a better life for themselves. EVERYONE is trying to feed their families. So what? Spouting truisms is a weak argument.

[GH0ST..]

Originally Posted by nvxplorer

And you seem to think that "trying to make a better life" endows one with rights, specifically, the right to immigrate. Immigration is not a right. Who's bending the truth?

when did immigration stop being a right? after the european settlers violently overthrew the native population, in the name of god (manifest destiny)? wow, thats real fair. i dont understand how anyone that preaches morality can stand behind unfair laws rooted in such immorality.

Get real. EVERYONE is trying to make a better life for themselves. EVERYONE is trying to feed their families. So what? Spouting truisms is a weak argument.

some have more difficulty doing so than others. but there is a pretty distinct line between basic human rights and luxuries. when someone is in a position where sacrificing their luxuries enables more people to have basic human rights, then it should be done. especially if the work ethic and effort is the same from both parties, with only geographical/economical boundaries deciding any sort of difference of quality of life.

[GH0ST..]

Originally Posted by Lakewooder

"many are paying taxes"

Well "many" if not most avoid the IRS by not reporting cash income. Why do we as citizens live in fear of one mistake on our returns but the illegals for the most part thumb their nose at paying US taxes and send billions home?

And why are they getting special treatment and not being prosecuted as we would for tax fraud?

the IRS sucks. most people feel that the income tax is illegal (and have a good case), and that reporting taxes, with the possibility of punishment due to erroneous statements, defies our 5th amendment rights. go to google video and search "america freedom to fascism". the entire documentary is available online, and very informative, if you indeed want to hear both sides of the argument.

and as far as your claim that "many if not most avoid the irs by not reporting cash income", can you verify this information?

[GH0ST..]

Originally Posted by Bummer

Many, if not all, Illegals have absolutely no vested interest in The United States

do you have a source for this? id hate to think you are just making up such hateful claims.