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Old 08-14-2013, 08:52 PM
 
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Why should English go the way of the dinosaur in this country? Why not Spanish instead? We are not a Hispanic nation in identity and never were. English has always been our de facto national language. As I said, the reason Spanish is required today is because of the large number of illegal alien Spanish speakers here. We should learn Spanish to accommodate them? I don't think so!

These same people pushing Spanish in this country are the same ones who claim that Hispanics are assimilating in our country. I wish they would make up their minds which way it is.
Umm yes we were, jesus did you learn anything in history? Who was here fighting with the indians over land before the colonization of America? So yes at one point native americans as well as mexicans did inhabit this land. Actually since oldglory has such a problem with people not learning English, then maybe he can start teaching it to people that need it? Still waiting for an answer! lol
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:34 PM
 
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Umm yes we were, jesus did you learn anything in history? Who was here fighting with the indians over land before the colonization of America? So yes at one point native americans as well as mexicans did inhabit this land. Actually since oldglory has such a problem with people not learning English, then maybe he can start teaching it to people that need it? Still waiting for an answer! lol
Mexicans did not exist until the Europeans and Africans came. Very very few Mexicans are pure Indian blood, the majority are mixed African, European, Indian and whatever else.

Mexico did not exist as a nation until Cortes came can claimed land for Spain. The Aztecs ruled over about a 35 mile radius near current day Mexico City --- there is absolutely no evidence at all that the Aztecs ever traveled into what is now the USA.
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:35 PM
 
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Also -- don't forget your Spanish language is a European language.
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Mexicans did not exist until the Europeans and Africans came. Very very few Mexicans are pure Indian blood, the majority are mixed African, European, Indian and whatever else.

Mexico did not exist as a nation until Cortes came can claimed land for Spain. The Aztecs ruled over about a 35 mile radius near current day Mexico City --- there is absolutely no evidence at all that the Aztecs ever traveled into what is now the USA.
Listen to you, when you used a reference to Oņate as evidence that Mexicans cut off the feet of Amerindians "to control them"...
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Umm yes we were, jesus did you learn anything in history? Who was here fighting with the indians over land before the colonization of America? So yes at one point native americans as well as mexicans did inhabit this land. Actually since oldglory has such a problem with people not learning English, then maybe he can start teaching it to people that need it? Still waiting for an answer! lol
the past ownership of this land has nothing to do with others learning English.
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Listen to you, when you used a reference to Oņate as evidence that Mexicans cut off the feet of Amerindians "to control them"...
when did he do that?
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:37 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Why should English go the way of the dinosaur in this country?
It isn't, and being bilingual presents no threat that English will fade.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:51 PM
 
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He cut off the Indians' feet to control them and teach them a lesson.

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when did he do that?
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Four centuries ago, in 1598, Juan de Oņate led a group of settlers out of modern-day Chihuahua, Mexico, to colonize New Mexico. Previous white explorers had visited New Mexico before Oņate, most notably Francisco Coronado in 1540, but none of these earlier expeditions led to successful long-term European settlement. Although he is largely forgotten today, Oņate settled the first colony in New Mexico, at San Juan de los Caballeros, nearly a decade before the English founded their first permanent settlement at Jamestown, Virginia, in 1607.

Oņate, reasoning that any rebellion must be punished immediately before the spirit of resistance spread, dispatched a force of 70 soldiers to attack the pueblo. Eight hundred Indians died in the resulting battle, and 500, including men, women, and children, were taken prisoner. The captives were convicted on charges of murder and of failing to give the Spanish the supplies they demanded. All prisoners over the age of 12 were sentenced to 20 years of slavery, and all men over the age of 25 had one foot cut off. The children were given as servants to Spanish settlers and monasteries.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:54 PM
 
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This is why when the Mexicans put up a statue to commemorate Oņate and the Mexican conquest of what is now the SW USA, very often the leg of the statue gets sawed off by some Indian group.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:57 PM
 
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ABQjournal: The Real Legacy of Don Juan De Oņate

Also in 1998, in the village of Alcalde, a few miles north of my hometown of Espaņola and close to the first Spanish settlements, vandals cut the foot off of an Oņate statue. Many Native Americans hailed this act as just, while many of the local Hispanics banded together to repair the statue and provide security against future vandalism.
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