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View Poll Results: Should Anchor Babies go back to their Mother's Home Country when the Parent is deported?
The Baby is a US Citizen, it should stay in America 9 11.11%
The Mother Should decide 19 23.46%
The baby should be forced to leave with the deported Mother 53 65.43%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-20-2007, 06:59 AM
 
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we understand illegal. we are looking to fix the problem, not perpetuate it.



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i dont understand, mainly, why you have that stereotype. some citizens are moochers, some arent. some immigrants are moochers, some arent.



the fact that more people = more crime and gangs. but we dont impose limits on children birthed by citizens, do we?

we do get more crime and gangs, but it continues to be a small minority. the large majority of people that immigrate are decent people who will contribute positively and work hard. those people should not be punished due to universal societal traits. i shouldnt punish you for crimes committed by other citizens, should i? dont make it a double standard



thats our policy, not theirs. if youre hungry and someone offers you food that other people have to pay for, youre still going to eat it.

dont blame immigrants for this. blame our policies. we should have universal healthcare, period, imo. that way theres no complaining or discrimination. we all contribute, we all use. and you can leave a private healthcare sector for those that can afford to pay premiums for higher quality care. everybody wins.



im not quite sure what your point is here, but most people are not loyal to the mexican government, they are just proud of their heritage. ever see a guy with an italian flag? a rebel flag? same thing. it doesnt mean you hate america. it doesnt mean you arent a hard working, tax paying contributor. it doesnt mean anything. you should stop drawing conclusions based on accusations with no real accredited source.



not all of them. but for the ones that do, do we give them any other real choice? if our immigration system was reformed, and they were allowed to immigrate FREE, they would do so. and they wouldnt need to be fradulant to get work, and pay taxes. the problem lies in our system. we have the means of fixing the problem. if we dont, theres no one to blame but ourselves.




womens voting rights and civil liberties for african-americans didnt carry any weight with most americans, at points in our history. it doesnt justify them at all. same thing with this mess. its sad but true: the american public often doesnt know whats good for the american public.
So, we are dumb, and our so-called "representatives" know best that we should break our federal laws?

Please list the positives for the AMERICAN PEOPLE in letting illegals come to this country. It does not matter if "some citizens are moochers" - the point is, we're adding MORE by letting illegal immigration continue. MORE gangs, MORE crime, MORE mooching, MORE free services, etc.

And, these illegals have shown that they have contempt for Americans, partly by the Mexican flag-waving, and partly by the fact that they "demand" rights when they have none. The American people got really turned off by their demands, and the illegals just made it worse for themselves with these marches. Don't bite the hand that feeds you!
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:49 PM
 
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If they can afford up to $5000 to pay a coyote to bring them across the border, then guess what, THEY CAN AFFORD TO BECOME CITIZENS LEGALLY! Fact is, why would they wait in line and do it right when our government, crooked business owners and some of our asinine citizens allow and in some ways encourage their activity? If they were jailed, unable to get a job and unable to use social services, more would be attempting to earn citizenship just like those from other countries who don't have the convenience of walking arcoss the border. Your proposal to grant amnesty and allow an unlimited number of immigrants under your "fast and free" immigration policy would not only be a failure, but the end of America as AMERICANS know it. That would be endorcing "Estados Unidos de Mexicanos". Congratulations.
not all illegals use coyotes. even the ones that do are saving wait times. thats why my reform calls for free AND fast.

your solution seems to be jailing, which ends up costing the american citizen tax money, anyway. do we really need a nation of criminals when simple reform can let everyone live in relative harmony?
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:57 PM
 
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So, we are dumb, and our so-called "representatives" know best that we should break our federal laws?
laws are sometimes not for the good of the american people. the federal reserve act, alcohol prohibition, criminalizing drug USE (instead of making it a health issue), the income tax, etc.

it is foolish, imo, to think that all laws are just and legislated for noble reasons.

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Please list the positives for the AMERICAN PEOPLE in letting illegals come to this country.
if we let them in legally, free and fast, then we will have less health issues, less identity theft issues, more taxes contributed, an elimination of cultural divide, a reduction in the crowding of jails, a reduction in costs incurred due to hunting down and deporting illegals, less employer fraud via hiring illegals, less false benefits payouts.. and thats just off the top of my head.

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It does not matter if "some citizens are moochers" - the point is, we're adding MORE by letting illegal immigration continue. MORE gangs, MORE crime, MORE mooching, MORE free services, etc.
but we also have a larger base of contributors. you cant highlight the worst sect of a population, especially when its a small minority. you tend to ignore the vast majority of hard working, tax paying people that will be coming over and pretty much mirror you or i in terms of overall contribution.

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And, these illegals have shown that they have contempt for Americans, partly by the Mexican flag-waving, and partly by the fact that they "demand" rights when they have none. The American people got really turned off by their demands, and the illegals just made it worse for themselves with these marches. Don't bite the hand that feeds you!

again, thats a small sect. please dont ignore the silent majority.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:01 PM
 
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we had a referendum in Ireland a few years back on this same subject.

Ireland was having a massive problem with Nigerians mostly coming to the state heavily pregnant just to have the child.
there where even deliveries at the airport .

this became a huge strain on the state as the child and the mother seemed to do beter on government benefits than most working people.

the public in general became very upset with this as these people where not here to contribute and where looked at as leaches of the state.
the government organised a vote nation wide and it was stopped. 70% vote The child of an emigrant no longer has the right to Irish citizenship as far as I know.

The Twenty-seventh Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland provided that children born on the island of Ireland to parents who were both non-nationals would no longer have a constitutional right to Irish citizenship. It was effected by the Twenty-seventh Amendment of the Constitution Act, 2004, which was approved by referendum on 11 June 2004 and signed into law on the 24 June of the same year. It partially reversed changes that had previously been made to the constitution as part of the Belfast Agreement of 1998.


still does not stop them coming to our little country to sit on there back sides while we pay for it.


at the time my partner was pregnant with my son. I remember . Going to a Dublin maternity hospital for a check up. There where maybe over 100 ladies with there kids waiting to be seen by a doctor.

Around 3 girls where Irish in the whole room.

After that we decided to go to N. Ireland for the delivery. Less crowds and beter hygiene. Not of the hospital, but of the patients who attended it.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:06 PM
 
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Anchor babies have become just another scam by the mexicans.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:25 PM
 
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Yes they have abused the law - They are known to come here to have babies.

Something needs to change. I do feel sorry for these children, though.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:32 PM
 
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Well, I'll bet that some people still will come over and drop kids, BUT at least they won't get the benefits.

FREE healthcare to have the kid, yes - they can't be denied if they're in an "emergency" situation. Don't know why they can't take a cab back before the birth.

But, at least, their kids won't get citizenship and benefits. They'll have no reason to cry "you're breaking up our families". What BS. These people are very experienced scammers, and like to use these sob stories. Sorry - the rest of America is catching on (besides the ones who caught on long ago).
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:35 PM
 
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the law is clearly worded. it is not "abuse" when it is followed to the letter.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:11 PM
 
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Oh please - they abuse many laws in this country, let alone have babies, after babies.

Coming over here illegally is breaking the law. They are not suppose to be here in the first place. Why should The Citizens (tax payers) bear the burden? We shouldn't.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:16 PM
 
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Oh please - they abuse many laws in this country, let alone have babies, after babies.

Coming over here illegally is breaking the law. They are not suppose to be here in the first place. Why should The Citizens (tax payers) bear the burden? We shouldn't.
so punish the immigrant, not the child. talk as bad about the mother as you want. dont punish the child. were not monsters.
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