Presidential Politics and Immigration (green card, illegal immigrants, unemployment, representation)

[NewToCA]

This excerpt from today's Wall St Journal:

"The debate over how to deal with illegal immigrants split the Republican Party two years ago, infuriating its social-conservative base and driving away Hispanic voters. It could be even more perilous for Democrats.

Democratic strategists believe that Hispanic voters could swing a decisive handful of states -- including Florida, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada -- to the Democrats in 2008, ensuring the election of a Democratic president and cementing a Democratic majority for years to come. But the party's blue-collar, middle-income and African-American supporters are increasingly angry about illegal immigration, much of it Hispanic.

Democrats "are pretty jumpy on the issue," says Rep. Luis Gutierrez, an Illinois Democrat who pushed for immigration overhaul in the House. "They would prefer to allow the Republicans to shepherd the Hispanic votes into the Democratic column without having to scare away a single other voter themselves," he says."


Immigration Is the Question - WSJ.com

[GH0ST..]

finally some representation for a non-white sect of our population.

[Hawkeye48]

This surprises me. Most black people I know are very pro illegal alien. I even saw Sharpton on some news program basically saying, "...black people had high unemployment before the undocumented immigrants arrived, and they still have high unemployment. So it's really a non-issue to black fokes..."

I even have a black neighbor who's working three part-time jobs just to make ends meet, and when I explained to him if Omaha lost its thousands and thousands of illegal aliens, then the demand for his labor would increase, and he would not only get hired somewhere full-time but probably at a pay raise as well. And he said he didn't care, that illegals that want to work should be allowed to work.

[ArizonaBear]

And; please remember that many American 'Hispanics' are anti illegal immigration-------too, green card holding Latinos are are not eligible to vote anyway.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by GH0ST..

finally some representation for a non-white sect of our population.

Perhaps.

Most American Latinos are actually American Indian (and care not to admit it) whereas most Hispanics worldwide are White.

[ProLogic]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

Perhaps.

Most American Latinos are actually American Indian (and care not to admit it) whereas most Hispanics worldwide are White.

Most recent immigrants are from southern states of Mexico such as Oaxaca. These states have very large indigenous populations-- whereas most of the immigrants who have come here a few decades ago happen to be more white in complexion because they are from the Northern states like Jalisco. My family is from Jalisco and one of the towns next to where my parents live about 90% of the people are white. The Spanish spread their seeds more in the Northern States.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by ProLogic

Most recent immigrants are from southern states of Mexico such as Oaxaca. These states have very large indigenous populations-- whereas most of the immigrants who have come here a few decades ago happen to be more white in complexion because they are from the Northern states like Jalisco. My family is from Jalisco and one of the towns next to where my parents live about 90% of the people are white. The Spanish spread their seeds more in the Northern States.

You brought up an interesting point: here in the Phx area even the 'regular' Mexicans have commented on how dark skinned the Oaxaca people are.

[nativeDallasite]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye48

This surprises me. Most black people I know are very pro illegal alien. I even saw Sharpton on some news program basically saying, "...black people had high unemployment before the undocumented immigrants arrived, and they still have high unemployment. So it's really a non-issue to black fokes..."

Bizarre; I've found the exact opposite here. I haven't met a single black person yet who wasn't anti-illegal. And...this being Dallas...I know a lot of black people. Dallas has a very large black population.

[The Dissenter]

Originally Posted by nativeDallasite

Bizarre; I've found the exact opposite here. I haven't met a single black person yet who wasn't anti-illegal. And...this being Dallas...I know a lot of black people. Dallas has a very large black population.

well now you can say you know an AA in VA who is anti-illegal. Most blacks i know are anti-illegal too and they dont call DC the chocolate city for nothing.

Also Al Sharpton does not speak for me.

[The Dissenter]

Originally Posted by ProLogic

What are you talking about? Al Sharpton speaks for all Black people. Haven't you ever seen Family guy?

Well he dont speak for me so you cant really say he speaks for ALL black people.

I wont vote for ANYONE who supports illegal aliens.