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Old 11-22-2007, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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So you think all the cities that Have China towns, Japan towns and such could be the downfall of the U.S? I mean these places are more of tourist attractions than anything, it is this places that makes the cities beautiful with culture. Most of these people are recent immigrants who will carry on the traditions of their Grandparents. Just like many Americans, they didn't just abandon their culture at once. It took some generations of kids but probably til' this day, they still share some traditions of their ancestors. We each have something to contribute, and thats what makes this American culture florish.
One big difference:

The 'Japanese' and 'Chinese' are tiny minorities across most of the USA------and, too being it is such a struggle to come here from Asia, they have lots of incentive to learn English.

In fact: what does irk me is why so many second and subsequent generations of American Latinos tend to have such strong foreign accents.

Why I say that is most Vietnamese, etc. who arrive age 12 on down.....by the time they are age 18-20 they speak English just like native born 'Anglos'------no old country accent.
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Old 11-22-2007, 11:30 AM
 
Location: California
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One big difference:

The 'Japanese' and 'Chinese' are tiny minorities across most of the USA------and, too being it is such a struggle to come here from Asia, they have lots of incentive to learn English.

In fact: what does irk me is why so many second and subsequent generations of American Latinos tend to have such strong foreign accents.

Why I say that is most Vietnamese, etc. who arrive age 12 on down.....by the time they are age 18-20 they speak English just like native born 'Anglos'------no old country accent.
My English teacher was born here, still has a Korean accent to some extent.
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Old 11-22-2007, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Central Valley, CA
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So you think all the cities that Have China towns, Japan towns and such could be the downfall of the U.S?
Big difference between china "town" and Mexi "state". I don't want my entire state to turn into Mexico, why does that make me wrong?
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Old 11-22-2007, 02:29 PM
 
Location: California
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Big difference between china "town" and Mexi "state". I don't want my entire state to turn into Mexico, why does that make me wrong?
Illegal Immigration or not, most border states have always had a big SOB presence. We see it in the culture, food, take Texas for example. They are the most Mexican state (imo) in the U.S. Look at some of the clothes they wear? Cattle ranching? Mexicans along with Blacks were the first cow boys that roamed the west. I look forward to seeing more politicians from SOB decent.
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Central Valley, CA
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Illegal Immigration or not, most border states have always had a big SOB presence. We see it in the culture, food, take Texas for example. They are the most Mexican state (imo) in the U.S. Look at some of the clothes they wear? Cattle ranching? Mexicans along with Blacks were the first cow boys that roamed the west. I look forward to seeing more politicians from SOB decent.

I'm about 600 miles from the border, and driving around some of the cities around here you'd think you're in Mexico. This is what I don't want. What I want is my country to be full of Americans, whether they're white, black, hispanic, Asian, Indian, whatever, not Mexicans trying to turn it into Mexico.
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Old 11-22-2007, 04:13 PM
 
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I'm about 600 miles from the border, and driving around some of the cities around here you'd think you're in Mexico. This is what I don't want. What I want is my country to be full of Americans, whether they're white, black, hispanic, Asian, Indian, whatever, not Mexicans trying to turn it into Mexico.
Mexicans have been arriving in the US since before it was the US. Neither the Mexicans of the past, nor any OTHER group of immigrants, succeeded in "turning the US into Mexico"---(or Italy--or Ireland---or Poland--or any OTHER of their countries of origin)---because those immigrants in former years arrived in an America that INSISTED that they assimilate...by all sorts of means, both gentle and "rough". People arriving in America were coaxed, cajoled, bullied, and pushed into becoming AMERICANS--and the sooner the better. Some even saw their own KIDS become annoyed with the their parents' "foreign ways"...and some people (gasp) even CHANGED THEIR NAMES to fit in.(!)..imagine THAT...becoming an American was THAT important!....

Today, the latest "wave" of Mexicans is arriving into an America that's in love with the concept of "multiculturalism". They are no longer asked, nor do we demand, that they assimilate. All cultures are equal, we seem to believe, so who are WE to demand that anyone assimilate ?..."Shucks", we seem to say, "most cultures are actually way COOLER than ours, anyway". No one should be made to feel "awkward" just because they're not a citizen....what's important is that they're 'nice' people.....and we ALL know that many of THEM are really nicer than many of US.

In this atmosphere, it should come as little surprise that the hard-working immigrant doesn't feel any great "push" to accomodate OUR culture--he sees us trying in every way we can to accomodate HIS. Why should HE worry about preserving OUR culture, if we OURSELVES don't seem to put any great importance on it?..
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Old 11-22-2007, 07:46 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Assimilation is the operative word here......
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Assimilation is the operative word here......
Damn straight.

Read that learn English and follow American social mores------although if a group of immigrants wish to follow their customs at home with the proviso that US law is not violated that would be fine

One thing I have noticed is if a specific ethnic group moves to the USA; if anything, acceptance tends to lead to assimilation.

Jewish society for example seems to thrive under adversity as in prejudice against Jews, etc. However: when Jewish people are accepted; that tends to wind up 'killing' Jewish culture off-------much easier to follow the dominant 'gentile' culture than hold out against it.
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Old 11-22-2007, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Gainesboro, Tennessee
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Mexicans have been arriving in the US since before it was the US. Neither the Mexicans of the past, nor any OTHER group of immigrants, succeeded in "turning the US into Mexico"---(or Italy--or Ireland---or Poland--or any OTHER of their countries of origin)---because those immigrants in former years arrived in an America that INSISTED that they assimilate...by all sorts of means, both gentle and "rough". People arriving in America were coaxed, cajoled, bullied, and pushed into becoming AMERICANS--and the sooner the better. Some even saw their own KIDS become annoyed with the their parents' "foreign ways"...and some people (gasp) even CHANGED THEIR NAMES to fit in.(!)..imagine THAT...becoming an American was THAT important!....

Today, the latest "wave" of Mexicans is arriving into an America that's in love with the concept of "multiculturalism". They are no longer asked, nor do we demand, that they assimilate. All cultures are equal, we seem to believe, so who are WE to demand that anyone assimilate ?..."Shucks", we seem to say, "most cultures are actually way COOLER than ours, anyway". No one should be made to feel "awkward" just because they're not a citizen....what's important is that they're 'nice' people.....and we ALL know that many of THEM are really nicer than many of US.

In this atmosphere, it should come as little surprise that the hard-working immigrant doesn't feel any great "push" to accomodate OUR culture--he sees us trying in every way we can to accomodate HIS. Why should HE worry about preserving OUR culture, if we OURSELVES don't seem to put any great importance on it?..
Our family did on dads side. From Germany. Our name was spelled Anjel. Now it's Angel. Same meaning in both spellings. My dad can speak German but to this day he won't. He slips when he and my uncle are together and sometimes I catch him browsing an article in German on the net.

He made a promise to my grandmother. And he has kept that promise. That they would be Americans and they have successfully done that. I do wish he would have taught me the language tho. My grandparents immigrated LEGALLY.

In talking with some peoples I know to be illegal hispanics. They do not WANT citizenship. They go back once in a while and regularly send money back. That it the objective. They make big money here compared to there and they send it there. It goes farther. They can own more etc. My hubby talked with a driver. He said he will work here 5 years and go back home. Buy a farm and live like a king.
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:42 AM
 
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You are living in a box my friend. Most Latinos don't dream of becoming future Aztec warriors and violently reconquisting their land. Most illegal immigrants just want to work and have a better life, not hurt America or Americans.
These illegal immigrants probably do not realize they are part of a plan by the Mexican government to get rid of all their impoverished and move them to America to populate it and eventually to "reconquer" it.
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