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Old 11-23-2007, 08:46 AM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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Default Pictures of the poorest citizens of Mexico City who decided to stay and fight for their country!

There is an article that appeared today in this newspaper:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/

The article is here, it's full of pictures.

El Universal online - Fotogalería

The photographer's name is Vicente Arteaga. (the pictures might be subject to copyright, but imho this is fair use)

Fair use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If is not, dear moderators, please forgive me for trying to share this with my fellow forum users and feel free to do what you think it's necesary.

It's an article about the poorest family of Mexico city, a family of warriors who chose to endure these hardships in their country instead of emigranting, I thought you'd like to watch the pics



In a lended property, in el paraje de la Mora, Milpa alta is where the Hernandez family have their home. This district is considered by the National Population's Bureau (Conapo) CONAPO as one with extreme poverty in Mexico's Federal District, because it lacks, proper housing, services and education.




According to Conapo, the 23 persons, with the highest level of margination of all Mexico's City live in this District, according to their study "Margination indexes of localities 2005"



There are only 3 beds in the house of Mrs Petra Cruz Alvarado and one table that serves as cupboard and dining table. They don't have a Fridge to preserve their food, and the family has 6 members.



The home of Hernandez Cruz family is made of cardboard, wood and metal strips. The young Julio Cesar, David and Felix don't have TV and the only electrical appliance they have is an old fm radio.



From a small window, the children of the Cruz Hernandez family hide when they see visitors arriving, the clothes of the children is generally used to cover the holes in the walls and ceilings to protect themselves from the elements.

Imho, this people are warriors! How can they endure these conditions with an smile in the face? And yet they stay in their home and fight!!

They should be an example for people considering emigrating!

What are your thoughts about them?

Last edited by Travelling fella; 11-23-2007 at 08:56 AM..

 
Old 11-23-2007, 09:00 AM
 
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These people are not heroes!
They are not saving anybodies lives while risking their own.
YOU WANNA SEE A HEROES? LOOK AT OUR CHILDREN FIGHTING IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN!!!

Last edited by pablo-me; 11-23-2007 at 09:09 AM..
 
Old 11-23-2007, 09:03 AM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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Originally Posted by pablo-me View Post
Not as nice as where I live, but these people are neither suffering nor are they heroes!
They are not saving anybodies lives while risking their own.
YOU WANN SEE A HERO TRAVELLINGFELLA? LOOK AT OUR CHILDREN FIGHTING IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN!!!
Time for you to travel someplace else.
I respectfully disagree with you pablo-me, imho the war fought in Iraq is not a fair or just war, the poor soldiers that are fighting it are fooled by a government who put their lifes, health and sanity at risk by a selfish motive.

My heart aches everytime I read a history of an American soldier killing himself because of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, or being killed in imho a stupid war.

Where are the lives in iraq being saved? all I see are innocent people getting abused, tortured and murdered, I would post the pictures here, but I'm afraid it'd be a TOS violation.
(moderator I'll supply the google search links though if you think this isn't ok, please delete them and understand my point)

Senseless insanity (imho)
http://www.fotos.geschichtsthemen.de/iraq-war/fotos/04_12_iraq_b.jpg
http://www.grunt.com/images-bs/[domain blocked due to spam]_IRAQ_US_MILITARY_WAR_143200349%5B1%5D.jpg
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/march2006/100306iraq.jpg


Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo-me View Post
These people are not heroes!
They are not saving anybodies lives while risking their own.
YOU WANNA SEE A HEROES? LOOK AT OUR CHILDREN FIGHTING IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN!!!
Lifes being saved or souls being tortured? (both souls the torturer and tortured) Are these heroes????!!!!!

These are your children fighting in Iraq, see it with your own eyes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/02/16/wtort16.jpg
http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2004/04/torture_in_iraq2.jpgmid.jpg
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/chimage.php?image=2006/1989/iraq03.jpg
http://wetorture.com/wp-content/uplo...aib_murder.jpg
http://www.repubblica.it/2003/e/gallerie/esteri/tortugraib/ap48489640905124501_big.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/06/13/abughraib_dog_torture_430,0.jpg

Where are the weapons of massive destruction?
Why is Osama bin laden still free?
Where is the connection between Saddam Hussein and him?
What would George Washington or Abraham Lincoln think of this war if they were alive?

See the links below, I'm not stating that this is what really happened because I have no proof, but going to these sites makes my mind spin.

WHATREALLYHAPPENED.COM
The 9-11 Attacks Were Perpetrated By Agents Of The U.S. And Israeli Governments
Flight 77 and the Pentagon Crash - What Really Happened Here?

Last edited by Travelling fella; 11-23-2007 at 09:28 AM..
 
Old 11-23-2007, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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If that family is an example of Mexico's poorest; that country is definitely on its way to Middle Class-------note the mother and her kids may be a tad 'dirty', but, they look healthy as in not starving.
 
Old 11-23-2007, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo-me View Post
These people are not heroes!
They are not saving anybodies lives while risking their own.
YOU WANNA SEE A HEROES? LOOK AT OUR CHILDREN FIGHTING IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN!!!
I disagree with you, I think many folks are "heros" in large and small ways, and I admire folks who try to better their lives within their own country instead of looking to "escape."

Personal credit doesn't have a limit, you do not diminish accomplishment by acknowledging the good deeds of others.
 
Old 11-23-2007, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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Ive seen much worse in Mexico City and other cities around the world Ive traveled to.

Dunno the purpose of this, but most people in MXC dont sit around talking about fleeing to the US-that's mainly something poor rural villagers do. In my personal experience, Mexico City is massive, vibrant city with millions of middle class and wealthy people who are quite happy living there. Its also a magnet for the best and brightest in that nation and they are actually doing quite well economically as of late.

Dunno the point of this article?
 
Old 11-23-2007, 02:05 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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Ive seen much worse in Mexico City and other cities around the world Ive traveled to.

Dunno the purpose of this, but most people in MXC dont sit around talking about fleeing to the US-that's mainly something poor rural villagers do. In my personal experience, Mexico City is massive, vibrant city with millions of middle class and wealthy people who are quite happy living there. Its also a magnet for the best and brightest in that nation and they are actually doing quite well economically as of late.

Dunno the point of this article?
The idea is to inspire emigrants from this country to rethink about why they left, we have some "illegal" immigrants in this forum afaik.

And also to show people from America concerned with illegal immigration the real face of this country.
 
Old 11-23-2007, 05:16 PM
 
Location: The better side of the Mason-Dixon Line
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I agree, a lot of the illegals wave Mexican flags and talk about reconquista and Aztlan, but if they really love their country, they will stay in Mexico and make it a better place. The upper classes who control Mexico want illegal immigration to continue because lots of poor Mexicans would rather go to the US than challenge the government. I support stricter laws against illegals but I do fear that tightening the border will increase leftism in Mexico as poor people start to challenge the government.
 
Old 11-23-2007, 05:19 PM
 
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If that family is an example of Mexico's poorest; that country is definitely on its way to Middle Class-------note the mother and her kids may be a tad 'dirty', but, they look healthy as in not starving.
Mexico is actually classified as a "middle upper income" nation on the same level as Brazil and South Africa, thougy not quite first world like the US, Canada, Australia, and Western Europe. When you really think about it that makes sense. Mexico is light years ahead of almost every country in Central America, South America, Southeast Asia, or sub-Saharan Africa.
 
Old 11-23-2007, 06:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Travelling fella View Post
There is an article that appeared today in this newspaper:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/

The article is here, it's full of pictures.

El Universal online - Fotogalería

The photographer's name is Vicente Arteaga. (the pictures might be subject to copyright, but imho this is fair use)

Fair use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If is not, dear moderators, please forgive me for trying to share this with my fellow forum users and feel free to do what you think it's necesary.

It's an article about the poorest family of Mexico city, a family of warriors who chose to endure these hardships in their country instead of emigranting, I thought you'd like to watch the pics



In a lended property, in el paraje de la Mora, Milpa alta is where the Hernandez family have their home. This district is considered by the National Population's Bureau (Conapo) CONAPO as one with extreme poverty in Mexico's Federal District, because it lacks, proper housing, services and education.




According to Conapo, the 23 persons, with the highest level of margination of all Mexico's City live in this District, according to their study "Margination indexes of localities 2005"



There are only 3 beds in the house of Mrs Petra Cruz Alvarado and one table that serves as cupboard and dining table. They don't have a Fridge to preserve their food, and the family has 6 members.



The home of Hernandez Cruz family is made of cardboard, wood and metal strips. The young Julio Cesar, David and Felix don't have TV and the only electrical appliance they have is an old fm radio.



From a small window, the children of the Cruz Hernandez family hide when they see visitors arriving, the clothes of the children is generally used to cover the holes in the walls and ceilings to protect themselves from the elements.

Imho, this people are warriors! How can they endure these conditions with an smile in the face? And yet they stay in their home and fight!!

They should be an example for people considering emigrating!

What are your thoughts about them?
I'm not exacly sure how these people are "warriors", but I have seen conditions not too much better than this right here near my home--in one or the wealthiest counties in the USA. If you take away the sheet-metal shacks ,and replace them with small trailers and "camper-shells" I know of MANY illegals who live just like this, near me.
I has one lady some years back who helped us out in an emergency as a babysitter. I gave her an old house-trailer. She lived in a camp about 3 miles off the pavement, up our canyon--no piped water, no electricity, laundry is washed in the arroyo,etc,. Her husband worked at a plant nursery in the canyon. Eventually I helped move them to a tiny apartment in town, which they shared with several relatives. I've known lots of these people, and they do have a tough life. And all this happens so close to some of the wealthiest neighborhoods in California...amazing..
I have known and worked with illegals for decades. I don't blame them for our situation--yet at the same time. the situation can't continue. or ALL of us will suffer--legals as well as illegals.
Interesting photos, Travelling Fella--and it's strange how familiar this looks to me...from California, NOT Mexico....
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