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Old 11-27-2007, 07:04 PM
 
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The first settlers came here of cowardice (I believe thats how people are saying it towards illegals), they did not confront their issues. They were being persecuted because of their religion, so they just got up and left. Not to replicate their land? What about New Spain? New France? New England?!
The first settlers were not cowards. They travelled great distances to a new land where they either made a go of it or went back home. They did not come here to mooch and leech, because there was nothing to mooch and leech off of.
Because of the distance involved, the settlers made a clean break with the old country and set about making a life in America. When they left their homelands I expect many knew they would never see their family members again. They were not in the habit of bringing over all their relatives.

I do not consider naming an area New England or New France to be replicating their lands. Maybe they simply were not good at coming up with names for new places. Anyhow, once in the US they did not insist on speaking German, French or Italian. They did not continue to follow English or Greek laws. They did not conduct financial transactions with zlotys or krone. They did not insist on building the same kind of house they lived in when they were in Portugal even though their new home was Minnesota. In short, they ASSIMILATED to the US in many different ways. After all, their overriding goal was to be an American, not an Austrian who happened to live in America.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:07 PM
 
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Cowardly to cross an ocean on a little rat-trap ship with few provisions in the 1700s or in 2007 driving drugs in a stolen SUV over a nearly dry river to kill people?
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Cowardly to cross an ocean on a little rat-trap ship with few provisions in the 1700s or in 2007 driving drugs in a stolen SUV over a nearly dry river to kill people?
Or cowardly to travel over land for weeks, then board a steam ship to go to a country where you don't speak the language well, don't understand the culture, have nothing but the clothes on your back and the money in your pocket and your work ethic, knowing you'll probably never see your family or homeland again? Knowing that you'll have to learn the language because nobody's going to bend over backwards for you?

Yeah, REAL cowardly.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:14 PM
 
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Cowardly to cross an ocean on a little rat-trap ship with few provisions in the 1700s or in 2007 driving drugs in a stolen SUV over a nearly dry river to kill people?
Plus the early settlers didn't even have cell phones to call the Border Patrol when they got lost.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:50 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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Maybe it's because they may go home someday after they depleted America for everything they could. You can believe most of Mexico doesn't look like the pictures that this illegal sympathizer posted.
Dear junkman I'm not illegal sympathizer, I'm anti illegal immigration, because no human being should be illegal, we are slaves!! all of us!!!, think about it.

we are slaves of patriotism, prisioners of the state, the boot of patriotism is over our chests and the chains of the state don't let us think or react in a better way, it is sick!!

Patriotism, can justify criminalizing people, invading other countries for greed, and a lot of social diseases

let's break free!

Make it happen

btw do you honestly believe that most of Mexico doesn't look like in the pictures?

see more of mystical magical Mexico for yourself

do you want to see pictures of the 31 states of this country plus the federal district? here we gooo

this should go on the Mexico forum but ooooh what the heck

Aguascalientes

Aguascalientes city

Aguascalientes Main plaza


Main cathedral



Government palace

Baja California

Mexicali city


Lopez Mateos freeway system


Old brewery clock



Bullfighting plaza



Flag raised to commemorate the first 100 years of the city

Ensenada city

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5788/e1bj3.jpg (broken link)

Ensenada at night

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Docks at the harbor

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Bay window

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City by day

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6686/eeryservv5.jpg (broken link)

Downtown

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7391/eawo78ocv2.jpg (broken link)

A park in the city

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8968/eyuiy7ui6gh0.jpg (broken link)

Another park view


hmmm honestly do you want to see the 32 states of Mexico in pictures??

then go here and see them state by state

Imagenes de las Ciudades Mexicanas! - SkyScraperLife no secret that Mexico receives as much Americans as Mexicans go to the USA, honestly, do you really think they are all here legally? ROFL but Mexico's tolerant on illegal immigration, we like Americans actually

don't trust the news, come to san miguel de allende, or puerto vallarta or mazatlan and talk to your kind and ask them

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Old 11-27-2007, 09:04 PM
 
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The first settlers were not cowards. They travelled great distances to a new land where they either made a go of it or went back home. They did not come here to mooch and leech, because there was nothing to mooch and leech off of.
Because of the distance involved, the settlers made a clean break with the old country and set about making a life in America. When they left their homelands I expect many knew they would never see their family members again. They were not in the habit of bringing over all their relatives.

I do not consider naming an area New England or New France to be replicating their lands. Maybe they simply were not good at coming up with names for new places. Anyhow, once in the US they did not insist on speaking German, French or Italian. They did not continue to follow English or Greek laws. They did not conduct financial transactions with zlotys or krone. They did not insist on building the same kind of house they lived in when they were in Portugal even though their new home was Minnesota. In short, they ASSIMILATED to the US in many different ways. After all, their overriding goal was to be an American, not an Austrian who happened to live in America.
Very well put and than k you for some common sense here.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:15 AM
 
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Mexico is a paradise compared to what eastern Europe was in the early 1900s.
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Not to take anything away from your grandfather or Polish history, but Mexico has some bad areas. In the U.S. we freak out over an inner city project, trust me that's like Beverly Hills to some Mexican neighborhoods. Enlighten me with proof of this statement.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Central Valley, CA
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In the U.S. we freak out over an inner city project, trust me that's like Beverly Hills to some Mexican neighborhoods.
Do YOU have proof of this statement?
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Not to take anything away from your grandfather or Polish history, but Mexico has some bad areas. In the U.S. we freak out over an inner city project, trust me that's like Beverly Hills to some Mexican neighborhoods. Enlighten me with proof of this statement.
You should already know this if you took the world history course required of every high school junior in the state of Texas. Otherwise, there's always Wikipedia. It's common knowledge; do your own homework.
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:29 AM
 
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Do YOU have proof of this statement?
Heck, just look at T-town. That place is as bad as can be in most of it.
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