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Old 04-01-2014, 05:25 AM
 
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If you think that all illegal immigrants commit crimes, you are greatly mistaken. Many do not commit crimes. that does not mean that they shouldn't be here... because they sure as hell shouldn't. But how about you guys stop making stuff up.
working here illegally? Thats a crime.
Using a false ID? Crime.
tax fraud? Crime.
Driving without insurance? Crime
Driving without a license? Crime.
To live here illegally you either have to violate some or all the above laws or you are living with someone who supports you.
They are in fact all criminals.
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Old 04-01-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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So a child born from illegal immigrants in america are americans right?
Since the 14th amendment was never clarified by the SC they are "deemed" to be citizens but the writer's of that amendment did not intend for it to be that way.
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Old 04-01-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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Since the 14th amendment was never clarified by the SC they are "deemed" to be citizens but the writer's of that amendment did not intend for it to be that way.
Well, it doesn't matter what they intended. It's the law now so we have to follow it. And what is SC?
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Old 04-01-2014, 01:29 PM
 
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Well, it doesn't matter what they intended. It's the law now so we have to follow it. And what is SC?
Supreme Court and no it's not a law. It is an assumption based on an erroneous interpretation of birthright citizenship and yes it does matter how it was intended because that would mean we aren't honoring the Constitution and its amendments as written.
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Old 04-02-2014, 01:32 AM
 
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working here illegally? Thats a crime.
Using a false ID? Crime.
tax fraud? Crime.
Driving without insurance? Crime
Driving without a license? Crime.
To live here illegally you either have to violate some or all the above laws or you are living with someone who supports you.
They are in fact all criminals.
Only those who violate the crimes you mentioned are criminals. Living with someone who supports you is not a crime... and thus those are not criminals. It helps to know the laws of the United States before you talk about them.

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Since the 14th amendment was never clarified by the SC they are "deemed" to be citizens but the writer's of that amendment did not intend for it to be that way.
The writers left ambiguity in every law on purpose so that it can be interpreted by modern courts as the nation evolves. They did not want to be like England who was failing to acknowledge that change was needed. The writers had no intent for the laws. They didn't expect the the constitution to last this long without being rewritten.

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Supreme Court and no it's not a law. It is an assumption based on an erroneous interpretation of birthright citizenship and yes it does matter how it was intended because that would mean we aren't honoring the Constitution and its amendments as written.
It's not erroneous if interpreted by proper authorities. In this case, it was. The laws were intentionally written to they can be reinterpreted as needed.

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Old 04-02-2014, 06:40 AM
 
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Only those who violate the crimes you mentioned are criminals. Living with someone who supports you is not a crime... and thus those are not criminals. It helps to know the laws of the United States before you talk about them.
People who aid in crimes are guilty.



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The writers left ambiguity in every law on purpose so that it can be interpreted by modern courts as the nation evolves. They did not want to be like England who was failing to acknowledge that change was needed. The writers had no intent for the laws. They didn't expect the the constitution to last this long without being rewritten.
Provide proof.

Our immigration laws are quite clear & specific.


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It's not erroneous if interpreted by proper authorities. In this case, it was. The laws were intentionally written to they can be reinterpreted as needed.
Provide proof.

Our immigration laws are quite clear & specific.
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:18 AM
 
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Only those who violate the crimes you mentioned are criminals. Living with someone who supports you is not a crime... and thus those are not criminals. It helps to know the laws of the United States before you talk about them.



The writers left ambiguity in every law on purpose so that it can be interpreted by modern courts as the nation evolves. They did not want to be like England who was failing to acknowledge that change was needed. The writers had no intent for the laws. They didn't expect the the constitution to last this long without being rewritten.



It's not erroneous if interpreted by proper authorities. In this case, it was. The laws were intentionally written to they can be reinterpreted as needed.
Aiding, abetting, harboring, encouraging illegals a felony
It is a felony to knowingly house an illegal.
It is also illegal to enter without a VISA.
What % of illegals simply live with a legal resident or citizen?
Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For honest hard working people a whole bunch of them sure seem intent on breaking our laws.
Refer to Nationality act 237. It clearly states that it is a crime to be in the United States illegally. Yes it is a misdemeanor, punishable by deportation.
You can pick and chose or split hairs, but a violation of the law is a crime. Illegals are criminals. Your position that not all break the laws mentioned is a weak position at best. Very few of the estimated 11 million simply live in someones house.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:15 AM
 
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Laws can be changed with the times but until or if they are changed both citizens and foreigners are obligated to abide by them as written.

It is interesting to note that those who want our immigration laws changed sure don't want birthright citizenship changed/reinterpreted. The first is great to them but the latter is a big fat no, no. I argue that without changing the latter then changing the former will result in more illegal immigration.

Amnesty wouldn't really change/reform our immigration laws anyway. It would still be against the law to come here illegally. All it does is reward those who have done that which will also just encourage more illegal immigration.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:09 AM
 
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WASHINGTON, D.C. – When the hunger headaches get strong, Lenka Mendoza focuses on why she is fasting and dreams of what she would do if she won the right to legally live and work in the U.S.: She would return to her home country, Peru, to hug her cancer-stricken mom.

Fasting for immigration reform: Strikers go hungry in push for change - U.S. News

Then go back HOME and STAY there, you fool!
I would eat a greasy burger and fries right in front of them.
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Old 04-06-2014, 02:36 PM
 
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Of course they are illegal. What's your point? Just because they are illegal doesn't mean that they are criminals that have committed crimes (which is what you are actually saying).

If you think that I am defending illegal aliens when I said:



... then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I am only defending the United States. According to the law, they are committing a crime by just being here illegally.

The real questions is.... what is your agenda going up against the core foundation of law in the United States? Why are you anti-American?
Most illegals living here are breaking all kinds of laws. Very few are simply here illegally and nothing else. Yes, stepping over the border illegally is only a misdemeanor crime but it rarely stops there. They commit more crime when they take a job illegally. And then most illegals fail to pay income tax and social security taxes when they work illegally as "contract labor".

Other illegals commit identity theft and felony document fraud to take jobs they're not entitled to take. They also usually commit tax fraud by not paying the taxes on their stolen identities that they should be paying -- that is many declare far more exemptions so they pay no FICA tax.

And then many are driving without insurance and licenses. Most aren't "just here illegally" --- they're breaking all kinds of other laws to not only be here illegally but work here illegally -- and many are having children here in order to beat the immigration laws and collect the welfare handouts that having children brings them.
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