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Old 11-29-2007, 01:24 AM
 
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I don't think a guest worker program would be that bad, if it were only used as a temporary transitional program for employers (so they don't suffer too much economicly), and it meant you could tax any income that migrant workers made, and there was a gaurantee that the people left the country when their stay was expired. Also, guest workers children, if any, shouldn't be given citizenship- pregnant guest workers would be required to go back to their country of origin or elsewhere, their visa would automaticly be voided. This program might also help inject money into the Mexican and Central American economy, especially since they would not be starting families in the US.

As I said this should only be a temporary program, maybe a decade. Also, the program would be subject to government oversight and should be limited during times of economic troubles so the effect on American citizens is minimal.

Also, the US already has a guest worker program, it is called the H1-B visa. And unfortunately it is the elephant in the room that right-wing pundits rarely talk about. Lou Dobbs, who isn't exactly right wing anymore, does talk about it. It is killing the jobs that Americans really want, the high tech jobs that used to pay well, but don't pay so well anymore. About 500,000 tech workers are unemployed because of H1-B visa.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:31 AM
 
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Yes, any guest worker program is bad, because we KNOW that people will never go back. After their time as "guest workers", they'll stay and suck off the American taxpayer.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:54 AM
 
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I don't think a guest worker program would be that bad, if it were only used as a temporary transitional program for employers (so they don't suffer too much economicly), and it meant you could tax any income that migrant workers made, and there was a gaurantee that the people left the country when their stay was expired.
That would be considered theft.

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Also, guest workers children, if any, shouldn't be given citizenship- pregnant guest workers would be required to go back to their country of origin or elsewhere, their visa would automaticly be voided.
The Religious Right would have a field day with this anti-family idea.

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This program might also help inject money into the Mexican and Central American economy, especially since they would not be starting families in the US.
We need to deport the people who moved away from Appalachia, Louisiana, and Mississippi to other states back to those places and maybe the economy would have a boost.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:22 AM
 
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That would be considered theft.
What would be considered theft?

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The Religious Right would have a field day with this anti-family idea.
Why should guest workers children be given citizenship? If a banker works in London for 5 years, should the British gov. be expected to grant citizenship to his children? And anything that stops the anchor baby scam is a good idea in my book.

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We need to deport the people who moved away from Appalachia, Louisiana, and Mississippi to other states back to those places and maybe the economy would have a boost.
And Mexico needs to deport all the Mexicans from their more prosperous North to their impoverished South, too.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:31 AM
 
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Yes, any guest worker program is bad, because we KNOW that people will never go back. After their time as "guest workers", they'll stay and suck off the American taxpayer.
I actually agree with you on this cousin Sal, partially. Many are not going to leave after a guest worker program has been installed. When you say they will stay and such off the American taxpayer, I have questions because illegal immigrants work their butts off. They don't sit at home eating Twinkies.
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Old 11-29-2007, 09:06 AM
 
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I don't think a guest worker program would be that bad, if it were only used as a temporary transitional program for employers (so they don't suffer too much economicly), and it meant you could tax any income that migrant workers made, and there was a gaurantee that the people left the country when their stay was expired. Also, guest workers children, if any, shouldn't be given citizenship- pregnant guest workers would be required to go back to their country of origin or elsewhere, their visa would automaticly be voided. This program might also help inject money into the Mexican and Central American economy, especially since they would not be starting families in the US.

As I said this should only be a temporary program, maybe a decade. Also, the program would be subject to government oversight and should be limited during times of economic troubles so the effect on American citizens is minimal.

Also, the US already has a guest worker program, it is called the H1-B visa. And unfortunately it is the elephant in the room that right-wing pundits rarely talk about. Lou Dobbs, who isn't exactly right wing anymore, does talk about it. It is killing the jobs that Americans really want, the high tech jobs that used to pay well, but don't pay so well anymore. About 500,000 tech workers are unemployed because of H1-B visa.

I think it's a great idea. We can start by giving your job away a lower wages...But if will be just for a while tho.....come back in five years and we will talk about you getting your job back, at the lower wage.
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Old 11-29-2007, 09:54 AM
 
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I don't think a guest worker program would be that bad, if it were only used as a temporary transitional program for employers (so they don't suffer too much economicly), and it meant you could tax any income that migrant workers made, and there was a gaurantee that the people left the country when their stay was expired.
Interesting question, Magnulus

There are definite "positives" to a well monitored and fully enforced guest worker program but NOT anything similar to the Mickey Mouse fiasco being pushed by McCain and Kennedy (and many other IDIOTS) a few months ago.

Here are three points that need to be implemented . . .

1) No one already physically in the United States would be eligible! Anyone blatantly snubbing their noses at our immigration laws should be considered "questionable" candidates.

2) While in this country they must honor and respect ALL LAWS (including their departure date) and would not be eligible for any social benefits whatsoever.

3) The biggee . . . any children born while in the United States on the work program would not be guaranteed citizenship.

These restrictions are fairly common in most countries around the world.
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Old 11-29-2007, 09:55 AM
 
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I actually agree with you on this cousin Sal, partially. Many are not going to leave after a guest worker program has been installed. When you say they will stay and such off the American taxpayer, I have questions because illegal immigrants work their butts off. They don't sit at home eating Twinkies.
Well, they won't pay taxes if they're staying after the program is over, so they WILL suck off of us, just like they're doing now. Unless, of course, they commit FRAUD and stay past their visa and "borrow" someone's SS#.
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Old 11-29-2007, 09:58 AM
 
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No guest worker program. All new immigration should be stopped and given a time-out for at least 5 years as we try to figure out who is here, who should be deported and who we will let in for the future. The stakes are too high, no more 9/11s!
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Old 11-29-2007, 09:59 AM
 
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"borrow" someone's SS#.
They don't borrow Social Security numbers, they use a fake one.
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