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Read his posts on the illegal forum and you will see we all call for hammering the employers. That said the illegals should be held accountable for their misdeeds. They made the choice to violate our laws and should be held as accountable as we would legal immigrants and citizens who violate our laws.
If there are serious consequences for employers, employment will dry up and many undocumented workers will choose to self deport.
Consumers however, will substantially pay more for new construction, home remodeling, food and all the other stuff that relies on cheap service labor.
"Undocumented workers?" That's cute, sort of like a stowaway on a cruise ship is an undocumented passenger and a shoplifter in a store is an undocumented customer.
If there are serious consequences for employers, employment will dry up and many undocumented workers will choose to self deport.
Consumers however, will substantially pay more for new construction, home remodeling, food and all the other stuff that relies on cheap service labor.
We need to cut them off at the knees, mandatory E-Verify, no one works in this country unless they are legally here to do so. Once employers have no excuse to employing illegal immigrant workers, we can punish them properly.
We do need to improve the immigration process, especially for migrant farm workers. I have heard farmers complain that the current process is so slow an erratic, that by the time their workers show up the crops are rotten, or they come too early and the crop is two or more weeks away from harvest.
Meanwhile, farmers have to basically run a Motel 6, with a transit system to ferry workers to and from town.
A lot of thought has to go into improvements to the entire immigration process to make it work. If food prices go up by 10% because labor costs go up, so be it.
And please, can we amend the 14th amendment so people are NOT rewarded for sneaking into our country and popping out a kid before our immigration department can apprehend and deport them???
If there are serious consequences for employers, employment will dry up and many undocumented workers will choose to self deport.
Consumers however, will substantially pay more for new construction, home remodeling, food and all the other stuff that relies on cheap service labor.
Wrong! Just another of your lame attempts to defend illegal aliens. The greedy employers pass little to no savings on to we the consumer. They just pocket the profits and pass their social costs on to us. With the removal of illegal aliens from our country we'd have a profit rather than a loss and Americans would get their jobs back. Try educating yourself on this subject but most illegal alien defenders don't give a damn about the truth anyway and I'm sure you wouldn't either.
Flooding the workforce with new immigrants since 1965 accomplished what Big Business always wanted: the utter destruction of the value of labor in America, and labor's negotiating power. Any more liberalization of immigration will necessarily cause median wages to drop EVEN MORE, while tax revenues decrease (as better-paying jobs are replaced with low paying jobs that don't generate taxes). Democrats also want infinite immigration, since it brings them more votes from people who desperately need huge amounts of welfare and social service programs, and child-related public services (especially education).
So we are supposed to believe that today, 3 out of 4 (or 75%) support amnesty for illegals (with the implication that almost everyone wants even more liberal immigration policies too). WHAT A CHANGE SINCE the CNN poll last June which reported that only "51% say they support a bill that would attempt to increase border security and create a pathway to citizenship for many undocumented immigrants, with 45% saying they are opposed to such a measure....." CNN Poll: Big generational divide in immigration battle – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Did you notice a huge turn-around in Americans suddenly welcoming even more welfare costs and wage depression? I didn't.
Let's see what OTHER polls say about Americans' views on immigration (and remember, many people don't understand that more immigrants added to the workforce means less pay for EVERYONE):
"A new national poll conducted by Pew Research has found that 60% of Americans oppose the comprehensive immigration reform legislation President Barack Obama has been pushing...Obama and big-business interests have been pushing for comprehensive immigration reform legislation that would provide a pathway to citizenship for all of the country's illegal immigrants." Pew Poll: 60% Oppose Obama on Immigration Reform
DON'T BELIEVE EVERY POLL YOU SEE--you need to check WHO is doing the poll, to see how much bias is involved. CNN is well known for various types of bias, including a "pro-business" bias--which explains why it would want to push even more immigration and make it seem that even American workers want it too.
"CNN has been the subject of allegations of Liberal bias. In a joint study by the Joan Shorenstein Center on Press, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University and the Project for Excellence in Journalism, the authors found disparate treatment by the three major cable networks of Republican and Democratic candidates...Writer Eric Alterman has noted that many critics on the left view CNN as more biased than most other corporate-run journalism, supporting business interests..." CNN controversies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"I'm not certain they are literally making up poll results, but the poll CNN and British market research firm ORC International released Thursday afternoon is so screwy and raises so many questions that they might as well be doing it intentionally." CNN Is Just Making Up Poll Numbers Now
"Depending upon how you ask the questions or skewer the numbers, you can make a poll say pretty much anything you want it to say. CNN made this fact crystal clear...This is causing people to ask CNN, “Got bias?†One has only to remove the question mark to answer the question." CNN buries Democratic bias in latest poll - BizPac Review
Why not direct our anger at ALL the guilty parties? That would be the employers, our government AND the illegals themselves. The latter is just as guilty as the first two but people like you hold them as the innocents in this mess. I question the agenda of those who do that.
The U.S. was built on the backs of immigrants, legal and illegal. Skilled and unskilled people who came here to work harder for less money than those who came before them.
If it is desirable to reduce illegal immigration and occupation, then it becomes vital impose serious consequences on those who employ undocumented workers. No fence is high enough, no border patrol is dense enough to keep immigrants out so long as employers continue to hire undocumented workers without any consequences.
Amend the constitution to eliminate birth rights, going forward.
Eliminate Medicaid funding for pre-natal care and delivery for all.
Eliminate incremental welfare funding for incremental live births for all.
This place estimates that employers in California and Texas choose to hire 3.2 million undocumented workers instead of citizens. It's probably reasonable to say the undocumented worker works harder and for less money and no benefits, than their U.S. counterparts would.
How many U.S. people, especially in those states with substantial illegal populations are willing to pay substantially more for food, new home construction, remodeling, and service work presently done by undocumented workers?
Oh, now you are going to use the ole Americans are too lazy to work or that they are inferior workers lame arguments? Yes, illegals undercut the American worker by working for less and you're ok with that? Again, oh clueless one the employers are just pocketing the profits and passing their social costs on to us. I sure hope you aren't a citizen with your anti-American attitude. I find you despicable and refuse to read any more of your anti-American nonsense. Welcome to my ignore list.
Hard to figure out exactly the right thing to do, but we have to do something. We might start by rewriting NAFTA which is part of the reason we're being flooded with illegals.
The topic is "amnesty or the equivalent of" for illegals. I'm in favor of jail and fines for those that use them.
We can't deport the business owners but we rightfully can the illegals. Drug "users" don't get a free pass.
Deporting cost money, lots and lots of money.
It's substantially more cost effective to impose serious financial consequences on employers of undocumented workers.
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