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Old 02-12-2010, 03:01 PM
 
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Thailand is a very inexpensive place to retire and we have no need to open our borders to them. Most Thai's who enter do so legally.
Its not about not liking Mexicans. Its about their standard of living compared to ours. It would be a stampede to enter our country to escape their own. How would this benefit the USA? It wouldn't. We would end up with millions of people and no jobs for them. That would in turn result in shanty towns. No thank you.
Another lesson we should have learned was from NAFTA. It allegedly was going to help all of North America. Instead it only helped Mexico who in turn has squandered the gains.
See your looking at how a mexican will lower the standard of living, I am looking at how for most americans it will raise the standard of living by lowering the cost of business and cost of goods.

Lower cost of goods will mean for the average american things will be more affordable increasing our wealth.

Thailand has a much farther cultural distance than mexico. As thai is not an official language in any state. Thai is a major culture and thai is not going to be the majority of people in the country by 2050 or so.

Border trade between america and its neighbour is 600 billion dollars. The average border wait is 10 minutes costing $20 an hour on average this makes an extra 10 x 20 x 30 million commercial vehicles = 6 billon in extra unnecessary cost.

Well if we have jobs for 20 million mexicans to keep coming here I don't think we would run out of jobs once they are allowed to enter legally. Plus if they had no jobs they would return home.

It benefits usa to have people willing to work for low wages temporarily by raising the standard of living for the rest of us. It also benefits us to be able to live in a place with lower taxes and increased diversity.

As well once america has access to all that nice canadian oil and phosphate our oil prices will come down and so will most prices.

I kind of see it like a big company buying out its smaller competitor who has some advantages and some disadvantages, but by controlling more of the supply chain we reduce the risk to america.

Plus when we control canada we can send down all that good canadian water to places like cali, nevada, az and so on.

Americans benefitted from nafta because we have lower cost canadian oil and mexican oil, lower cost goods produced in mexico, lower cost cars, more car market to sell to in canada and easier acces to canada and mexican market.
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Old 02-12-2010, 03:06 PM
 
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you do know that the EU is in trouble, don't you? greece might be the first country to fall.

tinman is right. this is not "hostility to mexicans", but rather about an overloaded workforce in our country which, in turn, is going to lower the standard of living in this country.
This argument has been brought up several times, it is old and outdated and really quite comical, it is the same arguement said when our irish and italian ancestors or czechs brothers came to this country. They claimed that they were working for wages to low and no man could make a decent living with them around. The same argument was made about the chinese out west and the french from quebec up north, but no one would consider saying non sense arguments like this today. Despite having waves of immigrants the american economy has been the most successful in history because we have been the only country to realise that you need cheep labour and expanding borders to increase your wealth.

When america was formed no one wanted to immigrate here, so we kidnapped people from africa to work for cheap for us, and it made america richer, we then replaced that with cheap immigrants from europe and native labor, now we need to expand our borders again so we can get more cheap labour.
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Old 02-12-2010, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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See your looking at how a mexican will lower the standard of living, I am looking at how for most americans it will raise the standard of living by lowering the cost of business and cost of goods.

Lower cost of goods will mean for the average american things will be more affordable increasing our wealth.
Illegals are here, and have been for years. If they lower our costs, why have food prices continued to skyrocket; and why aren’t hotel rooms cheaper; and why weren’t the costs lower for new construction prior to the mortgage crisis? I’ll tell you why -- because, the greedy employers of illegals don’t pass those savings onto consumers. Yet, we are forced to support their illegal workforce through our taxes.
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Old 02-12-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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I am curious to know how opening our borders to Mexico increases our diversity. Mexicans are mostly of all one ethnic culture. Increased diversity would mean immigrants coming from all over the world, not just one country. As if we aren't already the most diverse country on this planet anyway.
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Old 02-12-2010, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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I am curious to know how opening our borders to Mexico increases our diversity. Mexicans are mostly of all one ethnic culture. Increased diversity would mean immigrants coming from all over the world, not just one country. As if we aren't already the most diverse country on this planet anyway.
Excellent question...I've been curious of this myself.
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:25 PM
 
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Illegals are here, and have been for years. If they lower our costs, why have food prices continued to skyrocket; and why aren’t hotel rooms cheaper; and why weren’t the costs lower for new construction prior to the mortgage crisis? I’ll tell you why -- because, the greedy employers of illegals don’t pass those savings onto consumers. Yet, we are forced to support their illegal workforce through our taxes.
Well you see it, is the reason why cost have not gone up more. As well labour cost are only part of the total cost, there are many other cost here as well. Without illegals, the cost would have gone up even MORE!!!
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:31 PM
 
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I am curious to know how opening our borders to Mexico increases our diversity. Mexicans are mostly of all one ethnic culture. Increased diversity would mean immigrants coming from all over the world, not just one country. As if we aren't already the most diverse country on this planet anyway.
Well when Mexicans can come here freely and not live in the shadows, they will be able to contribute more to america. As well when our country becomes bigger, we will be able to absorb more immigrants and take in more people. As well mexicans are a minority in america, so having more of them increases our diversity. Plus there are different sub cultures in mexico, northern and southern mexicans as well as native and white, and black mexicans all have little differences. Mexico is not a homogenous country you know.

America should avoid the trap tht many countries in europe fall into, stop expanding borders or taking in immigrants because they think it will ruin their country. When you let milions of undocumented people into your country that is the biggest threat in the world. When you let your northern neighbour have hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants with terrorist ties from the middle east, that is a huge security threat. It was a threat to america when louis riel was up there and it is still a threat that needs to be taken care of.
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Old 02-13-2010, 04:46 AM
 
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This argument has been brought up several times, it is old and outdated and really quite comical, it is the same arguement said when our irish and italian ancestors or czechs brothers came to this country. They claimed that they were working for wages to low and no man could make a decent living with them around. The same argument was made about the chinese out west and the french from quebec up north, but no one would consider saying non sense arguments like this today. Despite having waves of immigrants the american economy has been the most successful in history because we have been the only country to realise that you need cheep labour and expanding borders to increase your wealth.

When america was formed no one wanted to immigrate here, so we kidnapped people from africa to work for cheap for us, and it made america richer, we then replaced that with cheap immigrants from europe and native labor, now we need to expand our borders again so we can get more cheap labour.
when america was formed, there was a labor shortage.

we now have plenty of cheap labor, and now have a labor glut.


those are completely opposite positions, so obviously the solution would be different......
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Old 02-13-2010, 05:16 AM
 
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Well when Mexicans can come here freely and not live in the shadows, they will be able to contribute more to america. As well when our country becomes bigger, we will be able to absorb more immigrants and take in more people. As well mexicans are a minority in america, so having more of them increases our diversity. Plus there are different sub cultures in mexico, northern and southern mexicans as well as native and white, and black mexicans all have little differences. Mexico is not a homogenous country you know.

America should avoid the trap tht many countries in europe fall into, stop expanding borders or taking in immigrants because they think it will ruin their country. When you let milions of undocumented people into your country that is the biggest threat in the world. When you let your northern neighbour have hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants with terrorist ties from the middle east, that is a huge security threat. It was a threat to america when louis riel was up there and it is still a threat that needs to be taken care of.
The problem is that since "mexicans" have been here in droves, they have refused to assimilate, shown arrogance toward America, demanded rights not deserved of criminals, blatantly disregarding any form of "diversity" losing the "we" aspect thus creating an "us" and "them" mentality allthewhile continuing to sneakily steal jobs that Americans need right now. That is an invasion. Americans don't like that.

Other cultures have come, in not so massive numbers illegally, created their own neighborhoods (Little Italy, Chinatown) yet still assimilated to American ways by learning English and contributing certainly without screaming any undeserved demands. That is diversity.
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Old 02-13-2010, 05:38 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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How about a bounty on them....we're paying a ton in welfare benefits to have them here

At lets say $250-$500 a-piece for turning them over to INS we could all be damn rich in no time......we'd be money ahead even at that price

Dog Chapman could start a school on how to capture and handcuff 'em and get them to the local INS office....problem solved

Of coarse getting rid of Bush "The Smirking Chip" would solve the problem also....he's a lover of illegal mexicans in case ya didn't know that....
Feb. 13, 2010
News flash Bush is no longer President...

I want in on this "Mexican for Millions" deal, but can You or will Dog tell us...

Is this for all Mexicans, or just the Illegal ones? Does it matter if I get a couple of good ones in with the bad? Can I get 1/2 credit on them?
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