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Old 11-18-2008, 05:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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I apologize for the much belated response. However, if you read my post, you would recognize that I was specifically talking about an argument from this ridiculous and untrue aspect. In addition, why are immigrants depraved? Simply because they are immigrants?
Moot point.

Nobody is arguing that ALL immigrants are depraved. Many of us are first or second generation Americans, including me (on my father's side).

The argument here boils down to this: there are depraved people who are coming into this country illegally and committing unimaginable and heinous crimes against Americans. Those of us who abide by the law happen to believe that there are more than enough native criminals to go around--why, in the name of sanity, do you advocate the importation of more?

It simply boggles the mind.
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:31 PM
 
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Legal immigrants are welcome here.............assuming they are otherwise law abiding.

Illegal immigrants are lawbreakers with most of them outright criminals------------they need to be deported and have their assets seized.
Yes, that is all fine and good and I heartily agree with you. To reiterate my point, mentioning that most immigrants, regardless of their status in this country, are rapists is a ridiculous statement. Please, read my posts beforehand. I am completely and totally against illegal immigration. They should have to come here the same as our ancestors, legally! I have an issue with blanket statements about immigrants or anyone else in general. My point was that there is more to fear in the way of sexual assault(statistically proven!) from relatives and friends of the victim's family than people they do not know.
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:33 PM
 
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Moot point.

Nobody is arguing that ALL immigrants are depraved. Many of us are first or second generation Americans, including me (on my father's side).

The argument here boils down to this: there are depraved people who are coming into this country illegally and committing unimaginable and heinous crimes against Americans. Those of us who abide by the law happen to believe that there are more than enough native criminals to go around--why, in the name of sanity, do you advocate the importation of more?

It simply boggles the mind.
Not to be too harsh, but what boggles my mind is how after reading my posts, anyone can misconstrue what I have posted to mean that I am for the illegal importation of immigrants. Please read my posts carefully. Thank you.
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Yes, that is all fine and good and I heartily agree with you. To reiterate my point, mentioning that most immigrants, regardless of their status in this country, are rapists is a ridiculous statement. Please, read my posts beforehand. I am completely and totally against illegal immigration. They should have to come here the same as our ancestors, legally! I have an issue with blanket statements about immigrants or anyone else in general. My point was that there is more to fear in the way of sexual assault(statistically proven!) from relatives and friends of the victim's family than people they do not know.
Re: our ancestors that is a moot point.

We are discussing today------------not what happened 500 years ago.

The cold reality is the prior indigenous people AKA American Indians were conquered by a bigger and badder group of 'Indians' AKA Anglos/Hispanics from Europe.

I am not saying what happened is acceptable by today's standards..........but, what happened back then is water under the bridge. It cannot be changed.

Let what happened to the Cherokee, Navajo, etc, serve as a warning that us Americans (of all races) need to stay strong in the face of newer groups of invaders---------------illegal immigrants come to mind.
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Old 11-20-2008, 06:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Not to be too harsh, but what boggles my mind is how after reading my posts, anyone can misconstrue what I have posted to mean that I am for the illegal importation of immigrants. Please read my posts carefully. Thank you.
I am simply responding to your post which states that those on this forum conflate all immigrants with depraved criminals--simply not true. I was not however, responding to anything else other than the one post.

Your stance on illegal immigration seems to be a separate entity apart from your stance on whether or not they are criminals simply by virtue of the presence in this country. No one advocates the position that all illegal immigrants are rapists and murderers. However, most of us do believe that they are ALL criminals.
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Old 11-21-2008, 07:17 PM
 
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Not to be too harsh, but what boggles my mind is how after reading my posts, anyone can misconstrue what I have posted to mean that I am for the illegal importation of immigrants. Please read my posts carefully. Thank you.
Any poster who doesn't agree with them 100% concerning this issue is labelled as open borders and pro-illegal. Don't take them too seriously and you'll do just fine in this forum.
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Old 11-21-2008, 07:22 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Any poster who doesn't agree with them 100% concerning this issue is labelled as open borders and pro-illegal. Don't take them too seriously and you'll do just fine in this forum.
And it is OK to be a little kind to them. They have lost it all. And will now have to suck it up as the mess gets fixed.

Hopefully they will get over their hate as all those illegals become legal. And most have made it clear that they cherish legal immigrants.

Boy are we going to see some heavy cherishing...
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Old 11-22-2008, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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And it is OK to be a little kind to them. They have lost it all. And will now have to suck it up as the mess gets fixed.

Hopefully they will get over their hate as all those illegals become legal. And most have made it clear that they cherish legal immigrants.

Boy are we going to see some heavy cherishing...
The mes is being fixed as the American people wakes up to the menace of the illegals and their enablers.

And the ICE hammer continues to fall!

It is obvious; olecapt, that you do not follow (or are in denial) the news
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:42 AM
 
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What about gangs like the GD's, Bloods and Crips they all do similar stuff..killing little children over drug debts and drive-bys etc?
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:58 AM
 
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What about gangs like the GD's, Bloods and Crips they all do similar stuff..killing little children over drug debts and drive-bys etc?
Agreed, but there is this tiny little issue known as CITIZENSHIP which separates the two groups of maggots.

We are not delusional enough to believe that America does not have it's share of criminals amongst us.

Therefore, we have no problem paying taxes to support the arrest, trial and incarceration of OUR OWN CITIZENS.

Being forced to spend billions in the cost of arrests, attorneys, trials, interpreters, jailing and or deportation for the millions of criminals commiting a multitude of crimes including but not limited to: rape, robbery, child molestation, drug pedaling, gang activity, drunk driving, identity theft, etc. by those here ILLEGALLY from Mexico and other countries is an unnecessary and abundantly expensive burden that should not be ours to bare.

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