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Old 12-06-2007, 10:18 PM
 
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Which is why we should blame THEM. It's greed and arrogance attracting them north of the border. The companies can WANT to hire illegals all it likes, but if there are no illegals around for them to hire...they're just SOL. It's not like they can go to Mexico and bring them up here forcibly. Nope...they have to already be here.

Not buying. Try next door.
This is a 'which came first, the chicken or the egg?' type argument. If the illegals were not here, then the companies could not hire them. I have never heard of a US company rustling herds of illegals across the border against their will in the dead of night.
You cannot outsource the hotel industry or the construction industry. If the illegals were not here, they would be forced to pay a decent wage. And then there is the snowball effect. As more and more of your competitors begin using illegal labor, either you do likewise or you will be driven out of business.
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Old 12-06-2007, 10:42 PM
 
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if we deny them the ability to require proof of legal status we cant very well hold them up for it.
We have laws which require documents before one can be hired.

And as this news story demonstrates, the corporation is aware of that, they just hire a contractor to sit in a trailer off site to do the hiring, so they can get away from having to abide by the law. It's not that we need another law, we need the government to enforce the law we already have.

Today, when the illegal hiring is discovered, it's not the corporation who is brought to court. It's this contractor with no assets, and that contractor is just replaced with another contractor so the corporation can continue to exploit the cheap labor.

Enforcement of the law would require the corporation to be responsible for the hiring, but the government won't pursue the corporation,

......you tell me why, ......if the government isn't getting a quid pro quo from the corporation, what explains the lack of enforcement?
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Old 12-07-2007, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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We have laws which require documents before one can be hired.

And as this news story demonstrates, the corporation is aware of that, they just hire a contractor to sit in a trailer off site to do the hiring, so they can get away from having to abide by the law. It's not that we need another law, we need the government to enforce the law we already have.

Today, when the illegal hiring is discovered, it's not the corporation who is brought to court. It's this contractor with no assets, and that contractor is just replaced with another contractor so the corporation can continue to exploit the cheap labor.

Enforcement of the law would require the corporation to be responsible for the hiring, but the government won't pursue the corporation,

......you tell me why, ......if the government isn't getting a quid pro quo from the corporation, what explains the lack of enforcement?

User, I'm finding more and more of your comments that I agree with.
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Old 12-07-2007, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Pa
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We have laws which require documents before one can be hired.

And as this news story demonstrates, the corporation is aware of that, they just hire a contractor to sit in a trailer off site to do the hiring, so they can get away from having to abide by the law. It's not that we need another law, we need the government to enforce the law we already have.

Today, when the illegal hiring is discovered, it's not the corporation who is brought to court. It's this contractor with no assets, and that contractor is just replaced with another contractor so the corporation can continue to exploit the cheap labor.

Enforcement of the law would require the corporation to be responsible for the hiring, but the government won't pursue the corporation,

......you tell me why, ......if the government isn't getting a quid pro quo from the corporation, what explains the lack of enforcement?
Have you watched the news lately? Liberal judges are allowing law suits against corporations because they required proof of status. The suits claim racial profiling...
Pelosy and company shot down a bill if made into law would have allowed employers the right to demand proof of status.
I am all for pounding corporations who knowingly hire illegals, or have systems in place to recruit illegals. I am equally for pounding any illegals caught within our borders.
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:32 PM
 
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Pelosy and company shot down a bill if made into law would have allowed employers the right to demand proof of status.
I find that quite interesting,

.......you're accusing House Speaker Pelosi, together with someone not specifically named, of 'shooting down a bill' that would require employers to determine status.

I think if you look back at the record, the House passed such a bill this year and it was sent on to the Senate, where a Republican minority blocked the bill.

I'm wondering if you've kept track of Congressional actions closely enough to be able to accurately recount them here?

Or do you think it's just possible someone misinformed you?
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Have you watched the news lately? Liberal judges are allowing law suits against corporations because they required proof of status. The suits claim racial profiling...
Pelosy and company shot down a bill if made into law would have allowed employers the right to demand proof of status.
I am all for pounding corporations who knowingly hire illegals, or have systems in place to recruit illegals. I am equally for pounding any illegals caught within our borders.
I am not a Bleeding Heart lover; although, what does tick me off is why the illegal immigrant problem has gotten worse during Bush 43's watch.
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Old 12-08-2007, 11:02 PM
 
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I have stressed this theory to people over and over, time and time, again and again, that Capitalism is or is a form of Cannibalism. What we are witnessing here unfortunately, is a classic example of a savage man eat man drama!
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Old 12-08-2007, 11:26 PM
 
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I am not a Bleeding Heart lover; although, what does tick me off is why the illegal immigrant problem has gotten worse during Bush 43's watch.

Bush wants it to get worse. He's a big business, pro-illegal alien, pro-amnesty president that wants a NAU. Bush is so pro-illegal I'm really surprised Bush hasn't granted a general amnesty pardon to all the illegals here. To prevent their arrests.

The plant in Tennessee that's a magnet for illegals is just what Bush wants. He knows 5 to 10 thousand illegals are crossing the border every single day, and a few hundred arrests here or there won't make a difference. Especially when he cuts half those arrested loose for anchor baby humanitarian reasons. It is literally one step forward and 20 steps backwards.
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