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Old 12-09-2007, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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*shrug* If the illegals weren't streaming across the border voluntarily, this problem wouldn't exist.
My point is that they wouldn't be streaming across the border if the crooked politicians and corporations weren't begging them to be here, all under the table of course.
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Except for medical care, and only in life threatening situations, no government benifits, of any kind, should be extended to those in this country illegally.
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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My point is that they wouldn't be streaming across the border if the crooked politicians and corporations weren't begging them to be here, all under the table of course.
I suppose we could debate this until the end of time; let's just agree to disagree. I think we do agree on solutions, which to me is more important than who is at fault.
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I suppose we could debate this until the end of time; let's just agree to disagree. I think we do agree on solutions, which to me is more important than who is at fault.
The problem is that both you and and Synopsis are correct.

Hence shut off the flow of illegals and punish employers for hiring the above.
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Old 12-10-2007, 02:52 PM
 
Location: NW California
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My point is that they wouldn't be streaming across the border if the crooked politicians and corporations weren't begging them to be here, all under the table of course.
I couldn't agree more. I have no doubt that the U.S. government, particularly the Treasury Dept., sees illegal workers as revenue-positive. That's why there's all the games, mixed messages, and double-talk about immigration/illegal immigration at the federal level. It's a shell game. U.S. Treasury is no less complicit than Mexican/other source-country treasury and/or your local ag, food processing, hospitality, or construction co. HR.

Guess you didn't get the memo: Crime Pays.

So what if it hits local communities disproportionately. Surely part of the equation from the get-go--we're not talking about amateurs here.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:00 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Since when has supporting your family become greedy? They know they can't support their family well in Mexico. Mostly everything in Mexico is priced to the dollar and people don't make dollars. Lazy? Oh spare me. Again, it is not the peoples fault the country's economy is as it is, it is the Governments. And even that is changing for the better.
At what point did it become acceptable to support your family at the expense of others?

If I cannot support my family, is it then acceptable for me to disregard the law in order to do so? At what point have I crossed the line of laws which it you believe it is okay to overlook in the name of supporting one's family? Shoplifting? Breaking and entering? Armed robbery?

Without the rule of law, there is anarchy. It is not appropriate in any lawful society to allow one group of people to disregard sovereign law while expecting the rest of the population to abide by the same.

There are countries in which poverty is abject. People die by the thousands every day, many of them children. Mexico is NOT one of those countries and it's proximity to our southern border does not give its citizens the right to flagrant disobey our laws in order to "support their families."

Why don't its citizens grow some cajones and fix their own country.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:11 AM
 
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At what point did it become acceptable to support your family at the expense of others?

If I cannot support my family, is it then acceptable for me to disregard the law in order to do so? At what point have I crossed the line of laws which it you believe it is okay to overlook in the name of supporting one's family? Shoplifting? Breaking and entering? Armed robbery?

Without the rule of law, there is anarchy. It is not appropriate in any lawful society to allow one group of people to disregard sovereign law while expecting the rest of the population to abide by the same.

There are countries in which poverty is abject. People die by the thousands every day, many of them children. Mexico is NOT one of those countries and it's proximity to our southern border does not give its citizens the right to flagrant disobey our laws in order to "support their families."

Why don't its citizens grow some cajones and fix their own country.
You said it, Kele. I've always thought that lots of African people would love to come here for all the benefits - why do the Mexicans ONLY get to do that? Mexico is indeed a very rich country.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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At what point did it become acceptable to support your family at the expense of others?

If I cannot support my family, is it then acceptable for me to disregard the law in order to do so? At what point have I crossed the line of laws which it you believe it is okay to overlook in the name of supporting one's family? Shoplifting? Breaking and entering? Armed robbery?

Without the rule of law, there is anarchy. It is not appropriate in any lawful society to allow one group of people to disregard sovereign law while expecting the rest of the population to abide by the same.

There are countries in which poverty is abject. People die by the thousands every day, many of them children. Mexico is NOT one of those countries and it's proximity to our southern border does not give its citizens the right to flagrant disobey our laws in order to "support their families."

Why don't its citizens grow some cajones and fix their own country.
BRAVO. Couldn't have said it any better. The people crossing our border illegally are common criminals, stealing jobs from Americans while lowering wages for blue-collar work across the board. Then when tax-paying, law-abiding Americans say they can't support their families on that salary, the companies laugh all the way to the bank.

Illegal immigration is going to destroy this country. If I wanted to live in Mexico, I'd MOVE to Mexico.
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:31 PM
 
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Wait, you already live in Mexico
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:41 PM
 
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My point is that they wouldn't be streaming across the border if the crooked politicians and corporations weren't begging them to be here, all under the table of course.
The illegals can't help themselves. They are being drawn across the border just as surely as the 'Millenium Falcon' was pulled into the 'Death Star' by a tractor beam in the movie Star Wars.
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