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Old 05-05-2014, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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I believe deportation is sometimes necessary, but this man had been in the country for over two decades, married an American wife, and had 5 kids with her. Not only that, he had a business that gainfully employed people and was the breadwinner. The rest of the family went on welfare after his deportation. I think there's a case for amnesty right there.
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Old 05-05-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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I don't need to listen to it. He had no business being here, let alone having kids. He had an American wife. She knew that she was marrying an illegal alien, yet she did so anyway.

As for his "business", since I'm not going to watch a 25 minute sob story of a video, was he licensed, bonded and insured? Did he pay his taxes? Did he hire Americans and/or legal immigrants?

The family is now on welfare? You mean, his wife won't get a job?

No illegal alien should ever get amnesty. Period.

Giving amnesty to illegal aliens is a slap in the face to legal immigrants who obeyed our immigration laws and patiently awaited their turn to come here.
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Old 05-05-2014, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Sucks to be a criminal. As is often the case the eventually get caught. He is not a good man, nor an honest man. He is a criminal. We produce enough criminals on our own. We have no need to add to the number.
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Old 05-05-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOEn0iBWWx0

I believe deportation is sometimes necessary, but this man had been in the country for over two decades, married an American wife, and had 5 kids with her. Not only that, he had a business that gainfully employed people and was the breadwinner. The rest of the family went on welfare after his deportation. I think there's a case for amnesty right there.
I disagree.
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Old 05-05-2014, 05:58 PM
 
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For those who didn't watch the video: He left Guatemala when he was 14 years old and arrived in USA when he was 15. His immigration case went to the courts and because of the long process, he'd started working (which he was legally allowed to do) and building a life while waiting to hear back. He'd never heard from his lawyer that he was supposed to be deported. Yes, business was licensed. Yes, he paid taxes (wife shows the paper work). He employed 10 people. There's a child with special needs so the mom has been staying home with him to care for him, plus there's a five-month-old. He now makes $5/day in Guatemala. The video also states that ICE says that it costs $12,500 to deport someone, but in the case of this man where's the breadwinner of the family, the cost to taxpayers is more along the lines of $102,000 due to loss tax revenue and costs of food stamps, medicaid, housing assistance, welfare, etc.

Yes, this video did make me see deportation differently. Most pro-deportation/anti-illegal immigration sentiment comes from (if not spun from racism) Americans not wanting illegals to leach off the system. And this guy definitely wasn't doing that.

The difference in wealth here and in those countries is so great. Immigration's not going to stop being a problem until that gets better. I have no idea how to go about accomplishing that, though.
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Old 05-05-2014, 06:31 PM
 
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I don't imagine that most illegal alien cases fit the scenario of this man. So it is no reason to start being against deportations. Just like Obama trotted out an educated illegal as the shining example of most illegal aliens. It's a farce.

It isn't only because most illegal aliens are costing us billions in tax dollars where our objection lays. The biggest objection is because illegal immigration is against the law and it negates our reasonable legal immigration policies and quotas. Also rewarding illegal aliens by allowing them to remain here makes a mockery of our laws and just encourages more illegal immigration. Hardly any objection to illegal immigration is "spun from racism" (illegal alien isn't a race) but who cares about them anyway since they don't represent the majority sentiments and is irrelevant anyway. It is our laws that are relevant.
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Old 05-05-2014, 06:55 PM
 
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Tatooine---There is no such race as "illegal alien". In the past, ICE has deported illegals back to 189 different countries. 189 different countries covers every race, religion and ethnicity. So put away "the race card". Using it doesn't work.

He should never have started a family unless he had a green card. Surely, he had to know that until his case was resolved, he was deportable.
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Old 05-05-2014, 07:43 PM
 
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For those who didn't watch the video: He left Guatemala when he was 14 years old and arrived in USA when he was 15. His immigration case went to the courts and because of the long process, he'd started working (which he was legally allowed to do) and building a life while waiting to hear back. He'd never heard from his lawyer that he was supposed to be deported. Yes, business was licensed. Yes, he paid taxes (wife shows the paper work). He employed 10 people. There's a child with special needs so the mom has been staying home with him to care for him, plus there's a five-month-old. He now makes $5/day in Guatemala. The video also states that ICE says that it costs $12,500 to deport someone, but in the case of this man where's the breadwinner of the family, the cost to taxpayers is more along the lines of $102,000 due to loss tax revenue and costs of food stamps, medicaid, housing assistance, welfare, etc.

Yes, this video did make me see deportation differently. Most pro-deportation/anti-illegal immigration sentiment comes from (if not spun from racism) Americans not wanting illegals to leach off the system. And this guy definitely wasn't doing that.

The difference in wealth here and in those countries is so great. Immigration's not going to stop being a problem until that gets better. I have no idea how to go about accomplishing that, though.
This guy is an outlier.
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Old 05-05-2014, 09:37 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOEn0iBWWx0

I believe deportation is sometimes necessary, but this man had been in the country for over two decades, married an American wife, and had 5 kids with her. Not only that, he had a business that gainfully employed people and was the breadwinner. The rest of the family went on welfare after his deportation. I think there's a case for amnesty right there.
Wah.
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Old 05-05-2014, 09:50 PM
 
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I'm not playing a race card, and I didn't call illegal aliens a race. I do know some people react from the fact that illegal immigrants usually bring in a different culture (the vast majority do come from Mexico), and people can be uncomfortable with a different culture. I'm not saying that's what people here feel, or the majority, but I know some people are like that (although they also tend to be against legal immigration, as well, and if we changed our laws to allow anyone into the country, thus meaning all immigrants are following our laws and not making a mockery of them, those people would still not be happy).

I'm actually for deportations, but only if it's fast. Otherwise, one, it's not effective (why does it take months and years for the courts to handle these things?) and two, it creates these situations like the gentleman in the video that make it sound that by upholding our own laws we're the bad guys.
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