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Old 12-13-2007, 04:33 PM
 
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http://www.betterimmigration.com/can.../prez2008.html

Here's a link to the presidental candidates stance on illegals. Click on either party to see a breakdown of how they rate on illegals.
Gee...it seems to be just a little biased, lol. But at least it has what I'm assuming are direct quotes from candidates.
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:09 PM
 
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There are many Americans who lived in parts of this country when it was considered as Mexico then. Some of these people had African ancestry, others European ancestry, others Asian ancestry, and others were indigenous people of the area (so called Native Americans). I wonder if all these peoples are called Mexican Americans nowÖ. or what?
True -- like Texas at the time of Texas Independence from Mexico had very few Mexicans and what Mexicans there were often were the Federalists that opposed Mexican Centralists. Whites outnumbered Mexicans (except back in those days, many Mexicans considered themselves whites).

The Texans were given citizenship when the government of Spain invited them in weren't they -- I believe they were.
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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True -- like Texas at the time of Texas Independence from Mexico had very few Mexicans and what Mexicans there were often were the Federalists that opposed Mexican Centralists. Whites outnumbered Mexicans (except back in those days, many Mexicans considered themselves whites).

The Texans were given citizenship when the government of Spain invited them in weren't they -- I believe they were.
Please keep in mind that a 'Mexican' can be of any race......I have a from of mine SOB, born and raised along with both of his parents-----he is 100% Askenazi Jewish lineage from Eastern Europe.
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:57 PM
 
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I think that, if more than 5 generations out you're still calling yourself "a foreign" identifier or a "hyphenated" anything - American, 1) you have some real identity complex issues, and 2) Your family has not intermarried enough, and has failed to become a part of the melting pot.
First, I don't know what you mean by "melting pot". Second, I donít see anything wrong in marrying someone from your ancestral gene pool. The are many Americans I know of from, lets say New York, who have married from generation after generation with fellow Italians. In fact, there are neighborhoods in New York that are considered as Italian. The same can be said of Little China of San Francisco and many other U.S. neighborhoods that have and maintain there own ethnic cultures.
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Old 12-13-2007, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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First, I don't know what you mean by "melting pot". Second, I don’t see anything wrong in marrying someone from your ancestral gene pool. The are many Americans I know of from, lets say New York, who have married from generation after generation with fellow Italians. In fact, there are neighborhoods in New York that are considered as Italian. The same can be said of Little China of San Francisco and many other U.S. neighborhoods that have and maintain there own ethnic cultures.
Not racist either.

Rule of thumb is that most people marry others similar to themselves but; not too much alike to both maintain bloodlines yet cut down the chances of genetic disease due to 'inbreeding'.

In my case; despite my being half Hungarian, I look like a stereotypical WASP/Scandinavian hence being genetically 'programmed' to accept similar Nordic (red hair/blonde) women as potential mates.

A friend of mine; also 1/2 Hungarian, looks 'Latina' (high cheekbones, slanted eyes, dark hair, etc.) she will most likely wind up with a Mestizo or similar looking man despite being 100% legally 'Anglo/White'.
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Old 12-14-2007, 05:59 AM
 
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Gee...it seems to be just a little biased, lol. But at least it has what I'm assuming are direct quotes from candidates.
How is it biased? They have the source of the candidates quotes listed for each candidate. It's not like they are making things up.
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Old 12-14-2007, 06:30 AM
 
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How is it biased? They have the source of the candidates quotes listed for each candidate. It's not like they are making things up.
Yes, true, but it's the way they put the chart together, for one thing. Saying "poor," and "abysmal" in reference to the candidates' stances or plans seems really subjective, don't you think? It seems like a conservative website.
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Old 12-14-2007, 06:36 AM
 
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It seems like a conservative website.
If you look into their funding and who they link to and read up on the history of the major participants, you will find it not only 'seems' like a conservative website, but that it definitively is a conservative site.
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Old 12-14-2007, 06:42 AM
 
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If you look into their funding and who they link to and read up on the history of the major participants, you will find it not only 'seems' like a conservative website, but that it definitively is a conservative site.
Definitely.
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Old 12-14-2007, 07:57 AM
 
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First, I don't know what you mean by "melting pot". Second, I donít see anything wrong in marrying someone from your ancestral gene pool. The are many Americans I know of from, lets say New York, who have married from generation after generation with fellow Italians. In fact, there are neighborhoods in New York that are considered as Italian. The same can be said of Little China of San Francisco and many other U.S. neighborhoods that have and maintain there own ethnic cultures.
"Little Italy" has dwindled to a pittance of what it once was.


It's not a matter of only marrying someone from your ancestral gene pool, it's clinging to this notion that your ancestral gene pool is so imporatant you feel the need to hyphenate your nationality indicator, when the rest of the world just looks at you like any other American.

Arnold Swarzenegger is an Austrian-American. I can accept that. If he had kids? Ehhhh... probably not going to ever get me to say they're "Austrian Americans."
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