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Old 12-13-2007, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Unlike some who may wish it were so, not everyone here is part of the 'anti-illegal' immigration movement.

Does the anti-immigration 'movement' have a site where they all go to get caught up on all the stuff you say they're all aware of?

I'd like to take a look at that resource, ....probably be a real interesting place.
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Here you go

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid...num=4&ct=title
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Old 12-13-2007, 05:22 PM
 
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Didn't fit the question great day,

....but it was interesting that the headline under your link was:

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Meet the GOP's Border Control Cross-Dressers
(I didn't click the link, ...it may not be work safe, eh?)

Probably not something that explains kele's assertion that some 'movement' all knows the same thing, ....but, I'm not sure what you are offering with that link?

What are you saying about that? Would kele agree?

Here's the quote from the first headlines under the link you posted:

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The Immigration Swamp
Washington Post, United States - 19 hours ago
The anti-illegal-immigrant crowd would have us believe it honors and admires legal immigrants; in fact, it is making America a less hospitable place for ...
Meet the GOP's Border Control Cross-Dressers Yahoo! News
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:56 PM
 
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Urgh...I do not like Huckabee. He doesn't fool me in the least. It is sad to read his idea of sending illegals home only to come back. Thanks for that link.
Yes it would be like sticking it to us twice. Thanks again for your link to cadidates immigration grid on NumbersUSA, which now has ?question marks? on Huckabee's grid for amnesty/attrition through enforcement.
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:03 PM
 
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Jim Gilchrist Endorses Huckabee Over Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul!

For decades, we, at U.S. Border Control, have followed the axiom that one should never speak ill of any other immigration groups because it merely feeds ammunition to our enemies who favor open borders and amnesty for all.

But it is important to let the public know that not all immigration groups support Mike Huckabee.

Years ago, before he launched the Minuteman Project, Jim Gilchrist ran the idea past me in a conversation we had over the internet. His vision was to get volunteers, armed only with binoculars and walkie talkies, to join him at the border in order to show the government that regaining control of our borders was so easy that even grandmas and grandpas, sitting on beach chairs, could get the job done.

It was a brilliant idea and Jim Gilchrist’s experiment drew more media attention in a few months than the rest of us have been able to garner in decades. And for that, Jim deserves all our thanks for moving the immigration issues off the back burner on to the front page.

Sadly, I am afraid that Jim was not really prepared for his overnight fame and events overtook him. Shortly thereafter, he and Minuteman cofounder Chris Simcox went their separate ways with Chris establishing the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps that took in millions promising to “build a fence,” while Gilchrist’s organization became mired in legal squabbles and an ugly and very public hostile takeover attempt by Board members who claimed their funds were not being properly accounted for.

Now Jim has put himself into the spotlight again by endorsing Mike Huckabee for President! How could he do this when dedicated immigration activists like Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo or Ron Paul are in the race and saying what is in their hearts -- not what campaign advisors tell them to say!

I am not a political pundit. As chairman of USBC, I spend 100% of my time working to pass legislation to reform our border and immigration policies, close the borders to illegal immigration and terrorism, and prevent an amnesty for 3-50 million illegal aliens. So what I am about to say is merely my personal opinion.

My instincts say Mike Huckabee is just another political opportunist who will say or do anything to get elected. His sudden transformation to an immigration reform candidate is no different from McCain's sudden transformation. All it proves is that they can read polling data.

But before I wrote this alert, I thought I better doublecheck to see what some of the other immigration groups were saying about this Gilchrist endorsement. Maybe I missed something.

That’s when I found that Roy Beck's NumbersUSA had changed several of its ratings for Governor Huckabee from “red” to “green” in response to Huckabee’s new immigration plan. This is a big turnaround from just a few days before, when Beck characterized the Governor as a “disaster” in the area of immigration.

In their latest chart of the candidates, NumbersUSA gave weight to recent statements and platform positions of the candidates in addition to their actual votes. I think it is risky, at best, to rely on statements over actual deeds, but that is how Mike Huckabee managed to move up the charts.

What does USBC think of Mike Huckabee? U.S. Border Control does not endorse or oppose candidates seeking public office as it is illegal for a nonprofit lobby group to do so. But we do, however, publish a highly regarded scorecard that analyzes the voting patterns of elected officials so that voters can make informed decisions when they go to the polls.

Our ratings are being finalized now and will be announced shortly -- in plenty of time for Americans who want to know how their Congressman, Senators or the Presential candidates voted on immigration and border policy issues.

Our rating system is traditional. We give no weight to campaign rhetoric, nor do our ratings rely on the often misleading high profile votes. Instead, our ratings are based on those critical amendments and procedural votes that show exactly where a candidate stands on border and immigration issues.

If you would like to receive a copy of our ratings when it comes out, send me an email with the word "Scorecard" on the subject line, or, better, yet, sign up right now to receive our infrequent but important alerts, including our Scorecard ratings and updates.

Wishing you a happy and healthy holiday season and best wishes for the new year.

Edward I. Nelson, Chairman
U.S. Border Control (http://www.usbc.org/)
U.S. Border Control Foundation (http://www.usbcf.org/)
I find this organization very helpul and factual on illegal immigration and the candidates... enjoy reading their emails.
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:14 PM
 
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Huckabee sure sounds liberal on this issue. What caught my eye was the "...It shouldn't take years to get a work permit to come here and pick lettuce..." comment he made. Those that come here to pick crops probably make up less than one percent of the total illegals here.

Huckabee is out of touch with most republicans, and it sounds like he's getting talking points from the DNC.
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Didn't fit the question great day,


Probably not something that explains kele's assertion that some 'movement' all knows the same thing, ....but, I'm not sure what you are offering with that link?

Would kele agree?




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I posted that letter for those who are already informed on the subject U2. Suffice it to say that they already know of the organization and it's objectives.

Sorry you didn't get the memo.
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:39 AM
 
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I find this organization very helpul and factual on illegal immigration and the candidates... enjoy reading their emails.


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Minutemen Bash Founder Over Huckabee Endorsement
13 Dec 2007 09:30 am

Jim Gilchrist likes Mike Huckabee, but the organization he founded sent a "special message" to members blasting Huckabee.

The headline: "Real Minutemen Do Not Endorse Huckabee."
Here's the full text:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/...er_over_hu.php
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More internecine bashing amongst the faithful, eh?

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Old 12-14-2007, 04:52 AM
 
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I posted that letter for those who are already informed on the subject U2. Suffice it to say that they already know of the organization and it's objectives.

Sorry you didn't get the memo.
You already mentioned that, but you quoted my question asking if you would agree with where great day said the 'memo' was located?

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Originally Posted by user 2
Would kele agree?
Since you quoted that in your response I thought you might answer that question about the following from great day's link, the link he said is ostensibly, to the 'memo'

What say?

Is that where the 'memo' is??

You know, ...this bit here doesn't seem to be the correct memo, but maybe I'm wrong:

Meet the GOP's Border Control Cross-Dressers Yahoo! News

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20071212/cm_uc_crmmax/op_194640 (broken link)

Really, Is that where you all get the memo?
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