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Old 12-14-2007, 07:26 AM
 
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If profiling, racial or otherwise, wasn't a legitimate law enforcement tool the FBI wouldn't be hiring people to do it.
I suspect you know better than to expect anyone to take that analogy for anything but sarcasm.

The profiling the FBI performs is not racial profiling as it's defined in the laws against racial profiling.

You might just as well argue that smoking pot is legal, because smoking something else is legal.

Good luck with that, you'd lose your argument, because it's ludicrous.
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Old 12-14-2007, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Hawkeye and others that think it is a legit tool


Dept of Justice link....Read it and get back to me


It is not a tool and if proven it usually results in a firing of the officer and $$$ reward for the victim...I couldn't count how many cases that happened in the ten years I lived in L.A. The one that sticks out the most was a black council member being pulled over because he was driving a "nice car"...a Mercedes or something.
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:04 AM
 
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Probable cause can trump racial profiling, or at least give any law enforcement agency "plausible deniability."

Example: Guy speaks little to no English, driving with a fake or no license... assuming the laws are such in the area that police are allowed to inquire about immigration status, that would seem like more than enough probable cause to inquire as to status.

And, since checking status is not as invasive as, say, stripping a car down to look for drugs (If I'm not mistaken, all foreign nationals are supposed to keep their green cards with them at all times), I don't see what the problem is.

Like checking little old ladies in wheelchairs for bombs the same way they check the 20 year old "foreign student" male at the airport. Makes you feel good, but everyone knows it's crap.
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Why not? You can disrespect the law but others can't?
No, you've got it backwards, If all others can disrespect the law, why cant I. I dont know where your getting I disrespect the law anyway. Just because I made the comment that law enforcement is sometimes corrupt?

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Or maybe you're not a citizen?
Why in the world would you say that?
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Example: Guy speaks little to no English, driving with a fake or no license... assuming the laws are such in the area that police are allowed to inquire about immigration status, that would seem like more than enough probable cause to inquire as to status.
But why did the officer pull over the man in the first place?

In your case that is not an issue because of what you stated, however, replace that man with a Prominent Hispanic Doctor who was born in the US and you will see the issue of racial profiling. And you will also see a lawsuit...

So in our case (The original topic) we have a retired teacher, he is educated and feels he was wronged...hence the lawsuit.

And nothing changes the fact that Racial Profiling is illegal and not a recommended tool. Too many gaps are left open when a police agency racially profiles.

Lawsuits are expensive, loss of trust in the community (reason why some blacks won't talk to the police...even when a murder is involved), scrutiny from the Feds, and so on...
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Would anyone be opposed to the police pulling over White Teenage boys near schools because they are a higher risk to shoot up a school and kill people?

Put your teenage son in that situation...Would you be happy?
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:03 AM
 
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Would anyone be opposed to the police pulling over White Teenage boys near schools because they are a higher risk to shoot up a school and kill people?

Put your teenage son in that situation...Would you be happy?
I'd LOVE to see that...(my teenagers are PART white). But seriuosly, it depends on what you mean by "pull them over". If you mean, should they be made aware of an authority in society higher than themselves, I'm all for that. Gratuitous harrasment, of course, is out. But "punks", lounging around and acting like jerks--- and the cops "chat" with them now and then---Fine with me.....maybe they can even get them to pull their pants up, before the ACLU gets involved and tell them to lower them once again.

I'm pretty crusty and old-fashioned. I'm raisng grandkids. Hate me. kick me, call me names, but I think teenagers are CHILDREN. They don't have quite the entire spread of autonomous rights that adults have. I see nothing wrong with that. To some extent, adults can--and should---tell kids "what to do". We ALL know that teenagers aren't legally responsible (ever tried signing a $20.000 contract with a teenager?). Why then should they have all the 'rights' of adults?

If the cops want to pick out a few "tough guys" and give them a little "tough talk", that's fine with me. No physical abuse, of course. The "cops" also need to be monitored, too. But I see all sorts of 15-year olds with T-shirts labeled "KNOW YOUR RIGHTS".....yet I've never seen one that says "KNOW YOUR RESPONSIBILTIES". Profile Away, by all means !!!
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Would anyone be opposed to the police pulling over White Teenage boys near schools because they are a higher risk to shoot up a school and kill people?

Put your teenage son in that situation...Would you be happy?
White teenagers - driving a fancy SUV in a barrio - they are cruising - your a cop - would you stop them?
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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City of Phoenix is going to re-do their "ROE" if you will - that will allow their police officers to make inquiries into the individuals immigration status -
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Old 12-14-2007, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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But I see all sorts of 15-year olds with T-shirts labeled "KNOW YOUR RIGHTS".....yet I've never seen one that says "KNOW YOUR RESPONSIBILTIES". Profile Away, by all means !!!
Love that mcmeal!
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