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Old 12-13-2007, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Originally Posted by ProLogic View Post
If they are working with stolen SS #'s their paycheck is subject to deductions due to taxes. So the ones with stolen SS #'s pay taxes.
PL - you are missing the point

MANY illegals do not get paychecks - they are paid in cash - no deductions

There no SSN's used PL -

Not with all illegals - but MANYa

 
Old 12-13-2007, 04:27 PM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Hawkeye48 View Post
Actually since they are stealing jobs from needy Americans the money would have been put in to the SS trust fund anyway if the illegal weren't here. The difference is if the illegal wasn't here it would have been put in by an employed American instead of an illegal.

In fact since illegals depress wages, you could argue that the trust fund is weaker because illegals are here. If the illegals were deported, wages would rise to where they should be, and more money would be paid to the trust fund as a result.
Picking fruit and vegetable wages can only go up so much. An American couldn't support a family on those wages. Technically they aren't stealing jobs, employers are just simply preferring them. The ones working with fast food are subject to the minimum wage law since they use SS #'s period. Teenagers can't work a full day like these immigrants doing those jobs.
 
Old 12-13-2007, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Rural Central Texas
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I think the problem is -- much of the housing bubble was to build houses for illegals, and to provide illegals jobs because they'll work for low wages and no benefits.
You mean they are building houses for people who will pay bottom dollar and have trouble getting financing and proper documentation to close their loans? Doesn't sound like good business sense to me.

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Housing developers were getting very very rich -- building houses to sell at ridiculous prices, built by cheap labor --
LOL! While a very few developers are getting rich, most of those are not housing developers, they are commercial developers building hotels, retail centers and government buildings. The residential developers are only moderately successful and most of that is due to twisting bankruptcy laws and not paying labor for their work at all. Oh, yeah a few are high volume guys that can make a few dollars per house and accumulate lots of money over the course of a few thousand houses per year. Most developers are much smaller and only do a few hundred per year, so they cannot rely on volume to get rich.

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I think the problem is -- much of the housing bubble was to build houses for illegals, and to provide illegals jobs because they'll work for low wages and no benefits.
You mean they are building houses for people who will pay bottom dollar and have trouble getting financing and proper documentation to close their loans? Doesn't sound like good business sense to me.

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-- and the people buying those houses couldn't afford them because wages are stagnant.
Guess their target market should not have been day laborers with those half million dollar homes.
 
Old 12-13-2007, 04:29 PM
 
Location: California
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PL - you are missing the point

MANY illegals do not get paychecks - they are paid in cash - no deductions

There no SSN's used PL -

Not with all illegals - but MANYa
The ones with SS #'s are the ones working at the fast food restaurants meaning they do get pay checks, they pay the taxes e.t.c
 
Old 12-13-2007, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The ones with SS #'s are the ones working at the fast food restaurants meaning they do get pay checks, they pay the taxes e.t.c
Many of those get paid in cash PL -

Real life here
 
Old 12-13-2007, 04:33 PM
 
Location: California
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I think the problem is -- much of the housing bubble was to build houses for illegals, and to provide illegals jobs because they'll work for low wages and no benefits.

WHAT A BUNCH OF BS!!!!! LOL!!! The only illegals that benefit from the home crunch are the ones building the new houses.

Housing developers were getting very very rich -- building houses to sell at ridiculous prices, built by cheap labor -- and the people buying those houses couldn't afford them because wages are stagnant.

There are no more ridiculous pricing, you can get a new house in Lathrop, CA (45 minutes from SF) in the mid $200's.

As long as jobs are being sent out of the country and wages are not rising, then it accomplishes nothing to bring in low-paid but legal
immigrants.

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Old 12-13-2007, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Technically they aren't stealing jobs, employers are just simply preferring them.
You are so very wrong -

Actually, legally, and technically, illegals ARE STEALING THE JOBS - they are not supposed to be employed PL

You are sounding like an apologist for them -

You are advocating for the illegals and not Americans -
 
Old 12-13-2007, 04:34 PM
 
Location: California
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Many of those get paid in cash PL -

Real life here
Those are the ones that don't have SS #'s.
 
Old 12-13-2007, 04:35 PM
 
Location: California
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You are so very wrong -

Actually, legally, and technically, illegals ARE STEALING THE JOBS - they are not supposed to be employed PL

You are sounding like an apologist for them -

You are advocating for the illegals and not Americans -
Stealing: to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force
 
Old 12-13-2007, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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I understand that the powers in Washington are planning for a huge increase in legal immigration to solve two pressing national issues:

They build more homes in that last few years than our current population needs. Add in a record number of foreclosed homes and a huge supply of empty existing homes and we have a huge crisis. Our leaders know the problem is only going to get worse unless we start allowing many more people to immigrate to America.

Social Security Needs more young workers

I understand that most of the Presidential Candidates are in support of greatly increasing Legal Immigration. The estimate now is we bring in 1.3 million legal immigrants a year and 1 million illegal aliens. The legal side would be allowed to increase to 2 million and the border patrol would be told to stand down and allow even more illegal immigrants.

Would greatly increasing legal immigration help these national crisises?
At this point I would doubt every word in your posting. Show me the legitimate source proposing an increase in the legal immigration to 2 million, and the standing down of the border patrol.

Show me where this is discussed in any legitimate media.

BTW - This thread is not about illegal immigration
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