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Old 06-11-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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That settles it. Canada must be racist and hateful.
That does seem to be the popular narrative around here.

 
Old 06-11-2014, 11:11 AM
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The Mexican-US border has the biggest income disparity of any land border on earth. Naturally we will have the biggest problem of migrants trying to cross it.
South Korea and North Korea are larger. Norway and Russia has a similar income disparity. Israel and arab countries do as well. Hong Kong and Mainland China do, if that counts. Note the difference between Guatemala in per capita PPP is about the same as the Mexico-US difference (3 times from each other).
 
Old 06-11-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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They can, but during the 50's and 60s, the Bracero Program was still in effect, which made getting work visas much easier.

Look, the bottom line is this. "Securing" the U.S.-Mexico border in the way some people would like to see it secured is pure fantasy. Totally securing the border would mean stopping, and searching, every single car, every single truck, and every single container entering the U.S. from Mexico. It would mean interdicting every single flight from Mexico and tracking the movements of every single Mexican passenger (a lot of "illegals" come the U.S. legally and overstay their visas). It would mean building, and guarding, a virtual Maginot Line across almost 2,000 miles of open desert. The costs of such measures, in terms of money, manpower and equipment, would dwarf the costs of both Iraq and Afghanistan. And the costs would be permanent.

But even if we could do it, all that stopping and searching would cripple U.S.-Mexico trade. That would suck billions of dollars out of both the U.S. and Mexican economies. You can't have it both ways. You can't have a free northward flow of eggplants and avocados without also having a free northward flow of unauthorized workers and marijuana. The whole "debate" about border control is a big joke. It is just a tool for certain politicians to get votes.
Fine, then. We'll have completely open borders. We can even have a special express lane for drug smugglers and terrorists. We can post "Violent Criminals Welcome" signs.

We can also cancel birthright citizenship and have citizenship background checks before receiving any public benefits. No drivers licenses, no free legal representation, no enrolling their children in US schools, no ESL programs, no free medical treatment, no path to citizenship, etc. Milton Friedman said you can either have open border or you can have a welfare state but you can't have both. So that'll be fine. They can cross the border and work and then go home. But they won't ever be participating in elections or driving any increases in social programs. We'll see how fast the liberal support for illegal immigration dries up then.
 
Old 06-11-2014, 12:21 PM
 
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Fine, then. We'll have completely open borders. We can even have a special express lane for drug smugglers and terrorists. We can post "Violent Criminals Welcome" signs.

We can also cancel birthright citizenship and have citizenship background checks before receiving any public benefits. No drivers licenses, no free legal representation, no enrolling their children in US schools, no ESL programs, no free medical treatment, no path to citizenship, etc. Milton Friedman said you can either have open border or you can have a welfare state but you can't have both. So that'll be fine. They can cross the border and work and then go home. But they won't ever be participating in elections or driving any increases in social programs. We'll see how fast the liberal support for illegal immigration dries up then.


There would be absolutely no support if these conditions were applied. Funny how that works, isn't it?
 
Old 06-11-2014, 01:06 PM
 
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I can't think of a single country that ignores immigration laws. Certainly not the United States.


The U.S. spent nearly $18 billion dollars on immigration enforcement agencies last fiscal year, more than all other law enforcement agencies combined.


. . .

In FY 2012, the department employed 21,790 officers, up 10 percent from 2008. The bill would also add an unspecified number of Border Patrol agents, whose ranks have skyrocketed from just over 4,000 in 1993 to more than 21,000 today.

Billions Proposed for New Border Security. Where Would the Money Go? - ProPublica

We ignore them. Where have you been?
 
Old 06-11-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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I find the lack of enforcement of current immigration laws and the flood of illegals (increased with the promise of Obama to ignore existing laws) to be quite puzzling. Such a policy will, of course, "fundamentally change" the nation toward third world status.

Is there another nation on earth which does not enforce its immigration laws and permits wholesale immigration across its borders? Can any nation survive, as a nation, with such a policy? How does importing a large group of uneducated, unskilled, and many times violent group of people benefit a nation?
No civilized nations would do that. But we are losing that a little more every day.
 
Old 06-11-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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Lack of enforcement? We're deporting record numbers.

Those "record numbers" it turns out, were fudged by the feds. We are deporting record lows of illegals.

Lies, damned lies, and Obama

Couple that with Obama's pledge to NOT DEPORT illegals and releasing them from US prisons, we have an illegal immigration crisis. A crisis, of course, is want Obama wants. However, given massive public indignation, which is growing, the response may be exactly what Obama was seeking.
 
Old 06-11-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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Closed and moved with redirect to Illegal Immigration forum. Yac can decide if he wants to reopen this.
Moderator cut: I don't see the point to be honest, we have enough pointless fighting here already. Yac.

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