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Old 06-13-2014, 11:39 AM
 
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They don't need to. They don't even need to man the border. Just cut off the incentive.
That is the best start.
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:40 AM
 
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IMO....we need to seal the borders.
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:33 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Just asserting "it can and should" isn't good enough. You need to explain why the points I made are invalid.

In any case, almost all reputable studies have found illegal immigrants are a net benefit to the economy. What they put into the economy by paying rent, buying food, paying sales taxes, etc. exceeds what they receive in the way of public service by a wide margin. Best estimates are that illegal immigrants put about $3 into into the U.S. economy for every $1 they take out. Google it if you want details.

With these "valuable" illegals putting money into the economy like skilled surgeons I don't even see why we have a border fence. We should be giving them limo service to the lawn maintenance jobs.
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:38 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I think we should go after employers, fix the entitlement system, and secure the border before we start deporting people.
We can do both as we should.
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Old 06-13-2014, 02:56 PM
 
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Just asserting "it can and should" isn't good enough. You need to explain why the points I made are invalid.

In any case, almost all reputable studies have found illegal immigrants are a net benefit to the economy. What they put into the economy by paying rent, buying food, paying sales taxes, etc. exceeds what they receive in the way of public service by a wide margin. Best estimates are that illegal immigrants put about $3 into into the U.S. economy for every $1 they take out. Google it if you want details.
Nope. All the reputable sources I have prove the opposite. They never pay in enough taxes to cover their social costs. As for paying rent, buying food, etc. If Americans got their jobs back from them they in turn would doing those things. Besides, they are here in violation of our immigration laws so that should be the focus. Americans have lost their jobs to them or had their wages reduced and taxes increased due to their presence here. They are a drain on our social and natural resources also.
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Old 06-13-2014, 02:58 PM
 
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No, we cannot all agree on that.

The range of offenses that merit deportation are spelled out by law. Immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility. To do all the above, everyone from the local cop to the local truant officer would have to be empowered to act as a de facto ICE agent. That is ridiculous. You cannot just decide you dislike a certain group of people and draft the entire society into a war against them. That is just fascism, pure and simple.
Decide you dislike a certain group? What group would that be?
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Decide you dislike a certain group? What group would that be?
LOL I decided not to address that because it is a straw man argument.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:56 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Should all undocumented illegals be deported? YES, but it should have happened right after the 1987 amnesty.
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:21 PM
 
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We can do both as we should.
I think it would be a waste of money to deport and do the rest at the same time. Let the weak ones self-deport and go after the determined illegals to save money.
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:39 AM
 
Location: Pa
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hmmm Hard labor for illegals, for those who hire illegals, those caught aiding and abetting illegals and for those politicians that voted for the immigration reform bill. LOL
All illegals absolutely should be held accountable. So should the employers. The hard labor would be used to pay for the deportations. Employer fines should be massive.
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