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Old 06-16-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Just asserting "it can and should" isn't good enough. You need to explain why the points I made are invalid.

In any case, almost all reputable studies have found illegal immigrants are a net benefit to the economy. What they put into the economy by paying rent, buying food, paying sales taxes, etc. exceeds what they receive in the way of public service by a wide margin. Best estimates are that illegal immigrants put about $3 into into the U.S. economy for every $1 they take out. Google it if you want details.
There is no way I will believe that illegal immigrants benefit this country. The problem is they will work for such low wages that they have made it impossible for an American to survive on the pay. Most Americans don't live 3 families to a house and survive on beans and rice.

I blame the companies hiring the illegals as well as the illegals themselves. Companies may complain that no American wants to do the jobs they have available and so need to hire illegals. The real problem is that no American wants to do the job for the ridiculously low pay they are offering, but the illegals will snap up those jobs and keep the wages low.

A lot of the blue collar jobs have been taken over by illegals, and rather than spending their paychecks in this country, send most of their wages back to their own country. Some benefit.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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How would you collect???

Those here legally have paid.
Large fees on remittances could be a start.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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There is no way I will believe that illegal immigrants benefit this country. The problem is they will work for such low wages that they have made it impossible for an American to survive on the pay. Most Americans don't live 3 families to a house and survive on beans and rice.

I blame the companies hiring the illegals as well as the illegals themselves. Companies may complain that no American wants to do the jobs they have available and so need to hire illegals. The real problem is that no American wants to do the job for the ridiculously low pay they are offering, but the illegals will snap up those jobs and keep the wages low.

A lot of the blue collar jobs have been taken over by illegals, and rather than spending their paychecks in this country, send most of their wages back to their own country. Some benefit.
Illegal immigration benefits two distinct groups. The illegals themselves and their extended family, the dirtbag employers.
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Old 06-16-2014, 03:15 PM
 
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Good luck with this....

We can not guard our boarders now.

Or, we won't.

Maybe I didn't make it clear. I meant to target those who seek entry legally.
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Old 06-16-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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Large fees on remittances could be a start.
So...you would want to punish the migrates who did the right thing??
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Old 06-16-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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Illegal immigration benefits two distinct groups. The illegals themselves and their extended family, the dirtbag employers.
Employers need to be targeted.

BTW....there are illegals that also are employers.
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Old 06-16-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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So...you would want to punish the migrates who did the right thing??
Yes. It's their country and they should be held responsible.
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Old 06-16-2014, 03:42 PM
 
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Yes. It's their country and they should be held responsible.
OK....that leaves me speechless.
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Old 06-16-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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Employers need to be targeted.

BTW....there are illegals that also are employers.
Yes, employers should be fine heavily. I'd favor $100,000 per illegal hired.
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Old 06-16-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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OK....that leaves me speechless.
Why is that? Mexico chose not to secure the border. Most illegals are Mexicans. Why should the Mexican people and their government not be held responsible?
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