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View Poll Results: Do you support a Border Fence?
Yes 68 80.95%
No 15 17.86%
Other Explain 1 1.19%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 84. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-19-2014, 06:29 AM
 
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A point i might ask those that push the attitude i quoted.That quote being sent to me in an unsigned rep.That attitude being a kneejerk view of many when viewing Hispanics in the USA.
So you are going to use a minority of fools to make your case? It is not the views of the majority as I have already stated.
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, VA
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Absolutely not. People seem to forget that most illegal immigrants enter the country with a valid visa which they overstay. They overstay the visa because they are able to make a living and find a better quality of life than they had in their home country.

The only two way to slow down illegal immigration is to go after those who hire illegal immigrants. Instead of wasting so much money on a border fence, use it to create a good, mandatory and powerful E-Verify type of program.
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Absolutely not. People seem to forget that most illegal immigrants enter the country with a valid visa which they overstay. They overstay the visa because they are able to make a living and find a better quality of life than they had in their home country.

The only two way to slow down illegal immigration is to go after those who hire illegal immigrants. Instead of wasting so much money on a border fence, use it to create a good, mandatory and powerful E-Verify type of program.
Actually most do come from across our southern border. But I agree with you about E-Verify. Go after the employers and I include the guy trolling home depot parking lots for cheap labor. Put some real teeth in the penalties and no one will risk hiring an illegal. Force the illegals to self deport.
A fence will help to herd the illegals to fewer crossing points and make it easier to catch them. The better approach is to remove the bait that draws them.
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:47 AM
 
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Fences/Walls may be a supplement but not a solution.

What do all the world's great fences/Walls have in common like Hadrian's Wall, the Roman Limes, the Great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall, etc.?

They all failed and are now all tourist attractions.
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:55 AM
 
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Fences/Walls may be a supplement but not a solution.

What do all the world's great fences/Walls have in common like Hadrian's Wall, the Roman Limes, the Great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall, etc.?

They all failed and are now all tourist attractions.
They worked just fine......what changed with the politics around them.
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:01 AM
 
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They worked just fine......what changed with the politics around them.
Exactly! They worked just fine but as you said the political climate changed and they were no longer needed. Why do people put fences around their yards and locks on their doors if they don't work?
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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Absolutely not. People seem to forget that most illegal immigrants enter the country with a valid visa which they overstay. They overstay the visa because they are able to make a living and find a better quality of life than they had in their home country.

The only two way to slow down illegal immigration is to go after those who hire illegal immigrants. Instead of wasting so much money on a border fence, use it to create a good, mandatory and powerful E-Verify type of program.
Nope. Only 40% are visa over stayers while those who just snuck in are the other 60%. The border wall in the post porous places would help deter illegal immigration immensely and it would assist the BP to do their jobs more effectively. I am also for e-verify, removing benefits and changing birthright citizenship. All of these things combined would do the trick. One of the reasons I am for the double wall approved by congress but never funded is that terrorists and criminals have other motives for coming here none of which are for jobs and benefits.
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:12 AM
 
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Has there been any studies on how much this wall is going to cost?
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:50 AM
 
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Has there been any studies on how much this wall is going to cost?
What ever it will cost, it will be worth every penny.
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Old 06-20-2014, 03:41 AM
 
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Bos I'm glad it will be your taxes paying for this multi billion dollar boondoggle and not mine..

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Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said a wall running the length of a border would cost too much. A 2,000 mile state-of-the-art border fence has been estimated to cost between four and eight billion dollars. Costs for a wall that would run the entire length of the border might be as low as $851 million for a standard 10-foot prison chain link fence topped by razor wire. For another $362 million, the fence could be electrified. A larger 12-foot tall, two-foot-thick concrete wall painted on both sides would run about $2 billion. Initially it was estimated that the San Diego fence would cost $14 million -- about $1 million a mile. The first 11 miles of the fence eventually cost $42 million -- $3.8 million per mile, and the last 3.5 miles may cost even more since they cover more difficult terrain. An additional $35 million to complete the final 3.5 miles was approved in 2005 by the Department of Homeland Security -- $10 million per mile.
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