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View Poll Results: Do you support a Border Fence?
Yes 68 80.95%
No 15 17.86%
Other Explain 1 1.19%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 84. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-15-2014, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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If we would see reports like this on daily News more Americans would be more in line with enforce current Laws. Any who enters the country illegal or on a expired Vise should be deported.

The Deportation process should streamlined and the cost of deportation is the confiscation of property and assets the Illegal may have. Bill the country of origin for all medical or deduct the cost from any and all aid packages.
They are right now, but if this was...My god things would get done...
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Old 06-15-2014, 08:22 PM
 
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I'll say it again; simply focusing on border security does not and will not solve the illegal immigration problem of the United States.

Though not even the federal government knows exact numbers good estimates are nearly forty to near fifty percent of "illegal" immigration is the result of visa overstays.

Visa Overstayers (2013)

Because these persons are often either white/European and or highly educated/skilled is probably the reason you don't hear so much noise on that front.

Persons arrive on these shores via all sorts of visas and simply never leave. Some suddenly claim asylum. Others marry an American citizen even if the sex was not truly up their street (though now that the federal government accepts gay marriages one assumes those sort of arrangements will drop), and or find someone or business to sponsor them to remain.

The horror of 9/11/01 exposed how easy it was for people to game the visa system and remain in the USA as an overstay often even after being ordered to leave the county. Truth to tell the system is entirely voluntary, the federal government has *NO* system in place to track those on visas once they enter the country. Unless they leave, or somehow again interact with the immigration system and or perhaps criminal justice they have little to fear regarding deportation.

Visa Overstayers (2013)

You saw this as the whole DOMA/SSM marriage debate was playing out in the courts as scores of gay spouses who were visa overstays made their case in the media and elsewhere why they should not be deported. Yes, they failed to leave the country when they were supposed to; but they now have since married, started a business/are employed, raising a family etc.. so thus have *earned* the right to remain. In short the same arguments used by everyone else seeking a spousal green card.

In both instances gay and straight the Obama administration including Holder and Napolitano gave in and began crafting all manner and sort of "administrative" exceptions and decisions that allowed said visa overstays to remain.

Long story short again this is why so many Americans are angry. It is really quite true what many critics say, the United States does *NOT* have an immigration system which is sane and logical. No, it is a lose confederation of rules, laws and decisions that seem either to be made up on the fly or vary by region and or whom is making the decision. Long as clear and concrete laws are not made and enforced those seeking to come to these shores illegally will continue to do so.

Currently there is a vast industry that operates basically all over the world that can get person or persons from deepest Africa to the US borders. No one is saying it is inexpensive nor easy, but still
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Old 06-15-2014, 10:10 PM
 
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Putting up border fences is a little like vermin proofing a structure. Yes, it can and perhaps will work for awhile, but if the rodents "know" there is something good on the other side sooner or later they will breech all but the strongest defences.

The southern border of the United States is simply too vast and in some areas porous (due to rivers, streams, etc...) to build anything but a fence unless it was like the Berlin Wall (several meters deep and very high). That wall didn't work, neither will a border fence with Mexico.

Everyone knows what will stop illegal immigration but few in government and or those that profit from the thing have the balls to see it done properly. Simply cut off the rewards for persons entering and or remaining illegally and then then the numbers drop.

Word is on the streets all over the world from deepest Africa to remote mountains of the Middle East/Asia. Get oneself to the United States by any means possible, and once arrived chances of being sent back are nil. The risk of deportation grows even less if you can pull at this or that heartstring (you are gay, a lesbian, transgender, have suddenly remembered some horrible thing that happened to you in your country, are married to an American citizen, have a child who is an American citizen, etc...

Nearly 90% of American immigration policy is subject to administrative discretion which means an illegals chances of being deported rest largely upon this or that judge, president, administration, head of INS/HLS, even simply who is conducting the interview at the border.
Uh the old Berlin Wall DID work very well in keeping East Germans from leaving, it cut the flow of people from about 100,000 a year to maybe 1,000. That's a BIG drop. like 100 to 1.
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Old 06-15-2014, 10:13 PM
 
Location: southern california
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The day the wall was finished here the immigration problem moved to Arizona texas and new mex
Why? No wall
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Old 06-15-2014, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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A few inconviences to some to protect millions of Americans? Hmm, which should we choose?
The thought that this could even be logically done in remote parts of Texas (I'm not as familiar with the other border states) is, well, precious. Geography and geology are your friends.
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Old 06-16-2014, 03:48 AM
 
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Annex Mexico, problem solved..
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Old 06-16-2014, 04:17 AM
 
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Annex Mexico, problem solved..
It would solve the problem. But, brown, Catholic people who speak Spanish . Not in this Anglo nation! Nevermind the fact that we have more in common with Mexicans than Canadians
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Old 06-16-2014, 04:22 AM
 
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Yes, supported with watchtowers and roving patrols.
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Old 06-16-2014, 04:23 AM
 
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Annex Mexico, problem solved..
Good night no!! We have enough problems already!
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Old 06-16-2014, 05:15 AM
 
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Putting up border fences is a little like vermin proofing a structure. Yes, it can and perhaps will work for awhile, but if the rodents "know" there is something good on the other side sooner or later they will breech all but the strongest defences.

The southern border of the United States is simply too vast and in some areas porous (due to rivers, streams, etc...) to build anything but a fence unless it was like the Berlin Wall (several meters deep and very high). That wall didn't work, neither will a border fence with Mexico.

Everyone knows what will stop illegal immigration but few in government and or those that profit from the thing have the balls to see it done properly. Simply cut off the rewards for persons entering and or remaining illegally and then then the numbers drop.

Word is on the streets all over the world from deepest Africa to remote mountains of the Middle East/Asia. Get oneself to the United States by any means possible, and once arrived chances of being sent back are nil. The risk of deportation grows even less if you can pull at this or that heartstring (you are gay, a lesbian, transgender, have suddenly remembered some horrible thing that happened to you in your country, are married to an American citizen, have a child who is an American citizen, etc...

Nearly 90% of American immigration policy is subject to administrative discretion which means an illegals chances of being deported rest largely upon this or that judge, president, administration, head of INS/HLS, even simply who is conducting the interview at the border.

That is exactly why we have the Army secure those porous areas. Once you secure what you can with confidence the Army can narrow down likely avenues of approach.
Obama needs to be Commander rnd Chief for once in his Presidency
Enforce e-verify and employer enforcement.

Being retired Army for 22 years in the Infantry it is possible. The Army can secure and arrest while the boarder Patrol expedites deportation. Back charge those countries dumped their poor and children on the US.

I grow tired of folks just like you who is basically throwing your hands up, There is a solution and we need to be strong about security our boarders.
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