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View Poll Results: Do you support a Border Fence?
Yes 68 80.95%
No 15 17.86%
Other Explain 1 1.19%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 84. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-16-2014, 11:01 AM
 
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With the proposed wall being between Mexico and the USA Who are these illegals if not Mexicans that are going to cross miles of desert to scale a wall then cross more miles of desert and are going to just walk into good paying American construction jobs.
Most are Mexicans......but, they also come from Central America.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Take a look at the border geography. Building a secure fence for the full length of the border is impossible. If the shortest and easiest routes are blocked, other routes will replace them. There is nothing we can do about Mexican road building on their side of the border. Longer routes would soon get the roads they may require.

A border fence would never be anything than Swiss cheese, with many holes in it. We could whack-a-mole forever on the fence line.

And where there's a will, there is a way. Mexico is a developed country, and Mexicans will find a way to blind electronic surveillance, take down parts of any wall, tunnel under a wall, fly over it, or any number of ways to overcome the barrier.

Look what happened in Iraq; the most lethal weapon in the war there was the civilian IED. A fence is just as vulnerable to an IED as anything else, and they can be made out of anything, as we learned to our dismay.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:07 PM
 
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It is the ONLY way.

But, let the Army do their job.....people will be hurt....people will be killed......at first.....and when they do.....do not put the Army or, soldiers on trail.
I Have done missions like this with the Florida Army National Guard. No has to get hurt and we would have a Boarder Patrol Office helping and providing guidance. Its a joint cooperation of everyone.

It works and works well. Generally speaking a show of force nullifies any act of aggression.

One would get the ideal you do not wish to enforce the Boarders?

Plus it is a proven Military tactic to narrow down the approaches, just like the Romans (England), Greeks and when the Iraqian Army pulled out of Kuwait.

Securing the areas you can with fence and electronic surveillance, then actually patrol the more harsh environments. Be surprised how many smugglers we could bag!
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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I Have done missions like this with the Florida Army National Guard. No has to get hurt and we would have a Boarder Patrol Office helping and providing guidance. Its a joint cooperation of everyone.

It works and works well. Generally speaking a show of force nullifies any act of aggression.

One would get the ideal you do not wish to enforce the Boarders?

Plus it is a proven Military tactic to narrow down the approaches, just like the Romans (England), Greeks and when the Iraqian Army pulled out of Kuwait.

Securing the areas you can with fence and electronic surveillance, then actually patrol the more harsh environments. Be surprised how many smugglers we could bag!
This is the kind of thing we have to stop.....

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Old 06-16-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Do you support a Border Fence?


I support the following ideas for a fence..




It would be as cheap as a one time cost of $60,000,000,000 While the cost of illegal immigration cost this nation at least $100,000,000,000 a year not to mention the human cost in the way of suppressed wages, destroyed neighborhoods, and people who were victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrates..

It works in Israel on their borders with Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt.
It works in Spain on their border with Morocco.
It works in India on their borders with Bangladesh and Pakistan.
It works in South Korea on their border with North Korea.
It works in Mexico on their border with Guatemala.

It will work here.

If not, please tell us why?

This issue affects many other issues like taxes, elections, education, crime, culture, ect and should be in the main political area..
Hubby and I go around and around about this: we general agree on politics, except I am not quite as conservative as he is, but he says a fence would not work, the border would have to cover too much land; I say, build the damn fence, they worry about sending back the illegals we now have. We can't send anyone back if we make it easy for them to re-enter.
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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We were operating under special orders that protected Soldiers from executing there sworn duties.If the Governors and the feds put special protection in this will not happen.

I know of the case you are speaking of. This goes back to criminals using the law against law enforcement , just like Wyatt Earp in Tombstone AZ.
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:21 PM
 
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Take a look at the border geography. Building a secure fence for the full length of the border is impossible. If the shortest and easiest routes are blocked, other routes will replace them. There is nothing we can do about Mexican road building on their side of the border. Longer routes would soon get the roads they may require.

A border fence would never be anything than Swiss cheese, with many holes in it. We could whack-a-mole forever on the fence line.

And where there's a will, there is a way. Mexico is a developed country, and Mexicans will find a way to blind electronic surveillance, take down parts of any wall, tunnel under a wall, fly over it, or any number of ways to overcome the barrier.

Look what happened in Iraq; the most lethal weapon in the war there was the civilian IED. A fence is just as vulnerable to an IED as anything else, and they can be made out of anything, as we learned to our dismay.
I think your claims are far fetched here. For one thing the proposed double wall was to only be installed on the most porous parts of the border. That frees up the BP to focus on the less porous areas. No one is expecting to contain illegal immigration 100% but we could curb it immensely with a good physical barrier.
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:30 PM
 
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I think your claims are far fetched here. For one thing the proposed double wall was to only be installed on the most porous parts of the border. That frees up the BP to focus on the less porous areas. No one is expecting to contain illegal immigration 100% but we could curb it immensely with a good physical barrier.
That is a good and fair statement. But, it goes back to eyes on the boarder. Use Minutemen type groups to assist law enforcement. This could come together easily if we force our elected leaders to engage with their sworn duties.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:42 PM
 
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I have a better idea. Ninjas. Ninjas concealed at various points across the border. One ninja could handle 50 miles easy. It wouldn't take long for illegals to get the message. Nothing like looking at a shrub only to see that it's not a shrub, it's a Ninja who has concealed himself as plant, suddenly flip out and take your buddies head off. A few ninjas flipping out and said problem would disappear over night.
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Old 06-16-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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I have a better idea. Ninjas. Ninjas concealed at various points across the border. One ninja could handle 50 miles easy. It wouldn't take long for illegals to get the message. Nothing like looking at a shrub only to see that it's not a shrub, it's a Ninja who has concealed himself as plant, suddenly flip out and take your buddies head off. A few ninjas flipping out and said problem would disappear over night.
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Why not just mine the whole strip between the huge walls and have guard towers every couple of hundred feet manned by guys with big guns, penalty for crossing the border? death,
Then another wall of death could be built to keep out those dastardly Canadians who represent a large demographic of illegals.
How you would deal with those crossing the borders by car,bus,plane,train,boat i have no idea.
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