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Old 06-20-2014, 01:09 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Its already required for legal immigrants to get health screening before Visa is approved. Along with a police background check and the applicant has to pay the fees. Nothing is wrong with that.
A visa is NOT required for many entries to the US providing the intended stay is 90 days or less. Nearly 40 countries have a Visa Waiver agreement with the US.
I also took a look at the Visa requirement for entry from Mexico (including a look at the DS-160 questionaire) as posted on the US Embassy website and don't find anything about a health screening. If it's there, point it out. It IS required for immigration to the US, but not for simply visiting (and vistors to the US outnumber illegal immigrants over 70 to 1).

Ken

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Old 06-20-2014, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Contagious diseases do not recognize legal/illegal. Any disease is just a plane ride away. The recent measles outbreaks, for instance, were not due to illegal immigration. The latest here in Texas was due to a local church that didn't believe in vaccination and had missionaries come back with the disease and it spread in the church. The whole illegals bring diseases to the USA idea comes from people who live in a very small world and don't realize that lots of people travel internationally, whether for business or pleasure. Ironically, it's many of these highly religious people who are refusing vaccinations for their own kids.
 
Old 06-20-2014, 01:33 AM
 
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Contagious diseases do not recognize legal/illegal. Any disease is just a plane ride away. The recent measles outbreaks, for instance, were not due to illegal immigration. The latest here in Texas was due to a local church that didn't believe in vaccination and had missionaries come back with the disease and it spread in the church. The whole illegals bring diseases to the USA idea comes from people who live in a very small world and don't realize that lots of people travel internationally, whether for business or pleasure. Ironically, it's many of these highly religious people who are refusing vaccinations for their own kids.
Yeah, it's a nonsense argument that's not based on medicine, but rather on predjudice. As I pointed out the CDC worries FAR more about LEGAL jet-carried visitors here than they do about some theoretical pandemic brought here by illegal immigrants.
There's a REASON for that - past experience has shown that LEGAL jet-carried visitors are the ones who've brought in such diseases in the past. In MANY cases they were U.S. citizens who contracted the disease while abroad.

Ken

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Old 06-20-2014, 01:36 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Whooping Cough is an epidemic in California.

Frankly, I find the physician in the article very knowledgeable. Anyone here a physician with in-depth knowledge of South American health issues?

Bottom line is illegal aliens should NOT be here. Period. We have enough of our own home-grown problems.
I'm not a physician, but my understanding of whooping cough, pertussis, is that the vaccination wanes and too many adults are not getting a booster. I had one a few years ago when a friend (vaccinated as a child) came down with it and was very sick. TB is another concern. South Americans are routinely vaccinated for it, we aren't here. I don't know why.
 
Old 06-20-2014, 02:03 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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As I suspected, Dr Elizabeth Lee Vliet is a bit off-kilter, and her "medical expertice" is overruled by her political agenda and wingnut beliefs:

"In an audacious rant published today at far right website WorldNetDaily, columnist Elizabeth Lee Vliet announced that President Barack Obama has launched a plot to destroy America’s social and economic fabric and “replace them with a ‘new socialist order’ under federal control.”

To support his socialist goals, in fact, Obama is luring immigrants into the country – most of them illegally and many of them kids – with the promise of food stamps and lapsed border security...

...As for the fears the the migrant kids will bring third world diseases back to America in epidemic proportions, The Texas Health Department have stated there is little basis for such claims, although it has long been a popular argument among the anti-immigration far right."

Right-Wing Rant: Obama Plotting to Use Immigrants to Spread Diseases and Socialism | Issue Hawk

The woman is a wackjob.


Ken
 
Old 06-20-2014, 02:53 AM
 
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Maybe this is being done to give the FEMA camps a test run. Swarming illegals get rounded up and get housed in them and they can see how the public reacts.
 
Old 06-20-2014, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Pa
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A visa is NOT required for many entries to the US providing the intended stay is 90 days or less. Nearly 40 countries have a Visa Waiver agreement with the US.
I also took a look at the Visa requirement for entry from Mexico (including a look at the DS-160 questionaire) as posted on the US Embassy website and don't find anything about a health screening. If it's there, point it out. It IS required for immigration to the US, but not for simply visiting (and vistors to the US outnumber illegal immigrants over 70 to 1).

Ken
This is the illegal (Immigration) forum. I did say legal (Immigrants).
Most illegals aren't here for a quick visit.
 
Old 06-20-2014, 06:42 AM
 
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So we should DICTATE what other countries do regarding their OWN people?
Are you going to volunteer to pay for it?
And don't give me that "if we don't we won't accept any visitors from that country" rationale because THAT will NEVER happen.

Ken
There are requirements to enter any country. That has always been the case. It's not dictating to a country's government but requiring any foreigner that wants to visit here to be have been immunized against infectious deseases. It would be the individual's own expense which isn't very costly. It wouldn't be our responsibility to pay for it. You're grasping at straws now.
 
Old 06-20-2014, 07:08 AM
 
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This is the illegal (Immigration) forum. I did say legal (Immigrants).
Most illegals aren't here for a quick visit.
Does staying longer than 90 days somehow make a difference whether or not you pass a disease to somebody? I don't think so. Most diseases have MUCH shorter incubation periods than that. And even for the few diseases that have a longer incubation period than that, you have no idea how long it's been incubating in the host when they arrive here. How long you are here is not that relevent to the matter at hand. The fact is, there doesn't appear to be any health screening requirements to visit the U.S. even for LEGAL visitors - whether they require a visa or not so the idea that somehow legal visitors are less likely to bring in diseases is once again shown to be nonsense. The overwhelming majority of disease brought here to the U.S. comes via LEGAL jet-born travelers.

Ken
 
Old 06-20-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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There are requirements to enter any country. That has always been the case. It's not dictating to a country's government but requiring any foreigner that wants to visit here to be have been immunized against infectious deseases. It would be the individual's own expense which isn't very costly. It wouldn't be our responsibility to pay for it. You're grasping at straws now.
Apparently there are NO immunization requirements - either to come here to enter other countries. What you are proposing would be NEW.

Ken
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