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Old 06-20-2014, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Whooping Cough is an epidemic in California.

Frankly, I find the physician in the article very knowledgeable. Anyone here a physician with in-depth knowledge of South American health issues?

Bottom line is illegal aliens should NOT be here. Period. We have enough of our own home-grown problems.
Frankly, I find that physician very ignorant. Look at the statistics for immunizations in Central/South America. There is no evidence that the physician has an in-depth knowledge of South American health issues. In fact, if she believes that immigigrants from there are bringing in pertussis, she knows less than nothing about them. She is not a pediatrician, family practitioner, or infectious disease specialist. She runs some sort of a spa for weight loss, sexual disorders and the like.
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:40 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Frankly, I find that physician very ignorant. Look at the statistics for immunizations in Central/South America. There is no evidence that the physician has an in-depth knowledge of South American health issues. In fact, if she believes that immigigrants from there are bringing in pertussis, she knows less than nothing about them. She is not a pediatrician, family practitioner, or infectious disease specialist. She runs some sort of a spa for weight loss, sexual disorders and the like.
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Yeah, she's also an example of how having an education is no guarantee of plain old common sense or mental rationality.

Ken
 
Old 06-20-2014, 08:43 AM
 
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So we should DICTATE what other countries do regarding their OWN people?
Are you going to volunteer to pay for it?
And don't give me that "if we don't we won't accept any visitors from that country" rationale because THAT will NEVER happen.

Ken
You mean like KEEP them?

It's not about what they do in their own country, it's what they're doing in ours.
 
Old 06-20-2014, 08:44 AM
 
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The stats I posted are from the entire country. Take a look.
It doesn't show a breakdown of how many children are immunized that live in the backwoods of Mexico or other Latin American countries. It mentions neighborhoods. I wouldn't call those neighborhoods. Did you read the comments attached to your link? There is a lot of disagreement with what was stated and the article was written back in 2002.
 
Old 06-20-2014, 08:50 AM
 
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Frankly, I find that physician very ignorant. Look at the statistics for immunizations in Central/South America. There is no evidence that the physician has an in-depth knowledge of South American health issues. In fact, if she believes that immigigrants from there are bringing in pertussis, she knows less than nothing about them. She is not a pediatrician, family practitioner, or infectious disease specialist. She runs some sort of a spa for weight loss, sexual disorders and the like.
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If anything --- their 100% compliance with vaccination shows that vaccinations aren't all that valuable -- look at their much higher infant mortality rates:

USA 5.2/1000
Guatemala 24.32/1000
Honduras 19.28/1000
El Salvador 19.05/1000
Mexico 16.26/1000

Almost an argument against vaccinations if anything as these people are fully vaccinated but have hideous infant mortality rates.
 
Old 06-20-2014, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Once they are captured they are put into quarantine areas.
They are given all shots seeing they have no papers.

They are not shipped to other cities and released spreading disease.

They are getting shots, medical care and dental care.
They have to so that they can register for school in a few months and have all this done and on file.
 
Old 06-20-2014, 12:07 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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You mean like KEEP them?

It's not about what they do in their own country, it's what they're doing in ours.
You don't think we should allow LEGAL visitors. That's the group we were REFERRING TO in that exchange of posts - you know, those folks who get a passport and fly to America as TOURISTS?

Ken
 
Old 06-20-2014, 12:36 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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If anything --- their 100% compliance with vaccination shows that vaccinations aren't all that valuable -- look at their much higher infant mortality rates:

USA 5.2/1000
Guatemala 24.32/1000
Honduras 19.28/1000
El Salvador 19.05/1000
Mexico 16.26/1000

Almost an argument against vaccinations if anything as these people are fully vaccinated but have hideous infant mortality rates.
It's pretty likely that a huge part of those countries higher infant mortality rate has nothing to do with vacines but instead is related to their general poor health due to poverty (resulting in low birth rate for example). We see a strong corrolation between infant mortality and poverty even here in the U.S.

Ken
 
Old 06-21-2014, 01:51 AM
 
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It's pretty likely that a huge part of those countries higher infant mortality rate has nothing to do with vacines but instead is related to their general poor health due to poverty (resulting in low birth rate for example). We see a strong corrolation between infant mortality and poverty even here in the U.S.

Ken
True -- having babies as very young teenagers for example, and having baby after baby without spacing so that nutrients are depleted. Very often the girls from these cultures begin having babies at age 12 or 13. This is why they're poor and also leads to high infant mortality rates. The best way to guarantee poverty is by early teen births and high illegitimacy rates.
 
Old 06-21-2014, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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If anything --- their 100% compliance with vaccination shows that vaccinations aren't all that valuable -- look at their much higher infant mortality rates:

USA 5.2/1000
Guatemala 24.32/1000
Honduras 19.28/1000
El Salvador 19.05/1000
Mexico 16.26/1000

Almost an argument against vaccinations if anything as these people are fully vaccinated but have hideous infant mortality rates.
Most infant mortality is neonatal mortality, e.g. the first 28 days of life, during which kids are only eligible for the Hepatitis B vaccine.
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