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Old 06-21-2014, 07:33 AM
 
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The Dream Act proposed never promised that kids could stay here who weren't already living here in the first place. The requirements to qualify include:

Get The Facts On The DREAM Act | The White House

None of those requirements apply to the flood of kids coming here now. Obama, along with everyone else, is saying the flood of kids can't stay. They will get deported with due process according to our laws governing illegals not from Canada or Mexico.
Do you actually think that Obama is telling the truth and that he won't try to include this latest tsunami of minor kids in his DACA especially if they have family here? I don't believe it for one moment.
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Old 06-21-2014, 07:43 AM
 
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Do you actually think that Obama is telling the truth and that he won't try to include this latest tsunami of minor kids in his DACA especially if they have family here? I don't believe it for one moment.
We're both going to have to wait and see, aren't we. Nothing in government moves as fast a Burger King line, so you might as well chill out.
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Old 06-21-2014, 07:51 AM
 
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We're both going to have to wait and see, aren't we. Nothing in government moves as fast a Burger King line, so you might as well chill out.
Why just wait to be trampled......why sit down and shut-up???
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:21 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Why just wait to be trampled......why sit down and shut-up???
Illegal immigrants such as these kids from Central America can't be deported without a hearing as per U.S. laws---if they were from Canada or Mexico we could just ship them back across the line. Things are being done behind the scenes to speed up the process---taking on an army of lawyers to help process these kids for their hearings (which, again, by law we must hold) and having our VP go to Central America last week to facilitate things on their end to receive these kids back and to try to stop the rumors and violence that are causing them to come here in the first place.

Ya, you have a right to be angry, we're all angry but sitting around coming up with crackpot solutions that breaks U.S. law while complaining about people breaking our laws is a stupid waste of time. Find the problems---like the source of the rumors and the bottleneck at facilitating hearings---and fix them and have an ounce of patience knowing it's not going to happen over night. We also need our lawmakers to finally get off the immigration pot---quit playing politics with the issue---and reform the system. Our do-nothing chickens in the House need to take their share of the blame for what is happening because they keep tabling any meaningful actions and debate.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:45 AM
 
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Illegal immigrants such as these kids from Central America can't be deported without a hearing as per U.S. laws---if they were from Canada or Mexico we could just ship them back across the line. Things are being done behind the scenes to speed up the process---taking on an army of lawyers to help process these kids for their hearings (which, again, by law we must hold) and having our VP go to Central America last week to facilitate things on their end to receive these kids back and to try to stop the rumors and violence that are causing them to come here in the first place.

Ya, you have a right to be angry, we're all angry but sitting around coming up with crackpot solutions that breaks U.S. law while complaining about people breaking our laws is a stupid waste of time. Find the problems---like the source of the rumors and the bottleneck at facilitating hearings---and fix them and have an ounce of patience knowing it's not going to happen over night. We also need our lawmakers to finally get off the immigration pot---quit playing politics with the issue---and reform the system. Our do-nothing chickens in the House need to take their share of the blame for what is happening because they keep tabling any meaningful actions and debate.
"Stop rumors"......what rumor??? The ABC station in Honduras broadcast the truth.

These invaders are NOT leaving.

Obama's meddling caused some of the unrest in Honduras.
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Old 06-21-2014, 09:03 AM
 
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"Stop rumors"......what rumor??? The ABC station in Honduras broadcast the truth.

These invaders are NOT leaving.

Obama's meddling caused some of the unrest in Honduras.
You don't understand the Dream Act details if you believe that Central Americans are being told the truth.
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Old 06-21-2014, 09:07 AM
 
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Illegal immigrants such as these kids from Central America can't be deported without a hearing as per U.S. laws---if they were from Canada or Mexico we could just ship them back across the line. Things are being done behind the scenes to speed up the process---taking on an army of lawyers to help process these kids for their hearings (which, again, by law we must hold) and having our VP go to Central America last week to facilitate things on their end to receive these kids back and to try to stop the rumors and violence that are causing them to come here in the first place.

Ya, you have a right to be angry, we're all angry but sitting around coming up with crackpot solutions that breaks U.S. law while complaining about people breaking our laws is a stupid waste of time. Find the problems---like the source of the rumors and the bottleneck at facilitating hearings---and fix them and have an ounce of patience knowing it's not going to happen over night. We also need our lawmakers to finally get off the immigration pot---quit playing politics with the issue---and reform the system. Our do-nothing chickens in the House need to take their share of the blame for what is happening because they keep tabling any meaningful actions and debate.
Then those illegal alien kids need to be locked up, period. IF their parents try to claim them and they're illegally, toss them into the slammer too. THEN we can have court dates or; those illegals can opt to go back HOME and STAY home. If they tried to come here a 2nd time: stick their butts into prison camps and make them do hard labor. Word'll get out real quick the US doesn't play well and MOST illegals won't take the chance IMHO.
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Old 06-21-2014, 09:20 AM
 
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Illegal immigrants such as these kids from Central America can't be deported without a hearing as per U.S. laws---if they were from Canada or Mexico we could just ship them back across the line. Things are being done behind the scenes to speed up the process---taking on an army of lawyers to help process these kids for their hearings (which, again, by law we must hold) and having our VP go to Central America last week to facilitate things on their end to receive these kids back and to try to stop the rumors and violence that are causing them to come here in the first place.

Ya, you have a right to be angry, we're all angry but sitting around coming up with crackpot solutions that breaks U.S. law while complaining about people breaking our laws is a stupid waste of time. Find the problems---like the source of the rumors and the bottleneck at facilitating hearings---and fix them and have an ounce of patience knowing it's not going to happen over night. We also need our lawmakers to finally get off the immigration pot---quit playing politics with the issue---and reform the system. Our do-nothing chickens in the House need to take their share of the blame for what is happening because they keep tabling any meaningful actions and debate.

And just how would you like the system "reformed" that would include stopping illegal immigration?
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Old 06-21-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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You don't understand the Dream Act details if you believe that Central Americans are being told the truth.
Actually it's the American people who are being lied to.

They aren't kicking out even the criminals -- I personally know of a case where the guy was smuggled in as a child, dropped out of high school in the 10th grade, was involved in trafficking of illegals --- and the court actually got him in on DACA -- so he can get a legal job. The lawyer justified his life of crime by the fact that he didn't have a diploma or legal status and couldn't get a legal kind of job.

All kinds of loopholes -- the American people were told that DACA would be for those smuggled in before a certain date who were otherwise law abiding, productive types. The illegals however are told that a few shoplifting incidents, felony document fraud and identity theft, tax evasion, a couple of DWIs won't matter for DACA.
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Old 06-21-2014, 09:36 AM
 
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The Dream Act proposed never promised that kids could stay here who weren't already living here in the first place. The requirements to qualify include:

Get The Facts On The DREAM Act | The White House

None of those requirements apply to the flood of kids coming here now. Obama, along with everyone else, is saying the flood of kids can't stay. They will get deported with due process according to our laws governing illegals not from Canada or Mexico.
What the American people have been told:

.....entering the country when they were under 16 years old, proving they have continuously lived in the U.S. for at least 5 years and graduated from a U.S. high school or obtained a GED; demonstrating their good moral character; proving they have not committed any crimes that would make them inadmissible to the country. Only then can they obtain a conditional status for a limited period of time.

What illegals are being told: (only the very most violent criminals might not qualify for DACA -- all other criminals will be given a pass)

Can I apply for DACA if I have a criminal history? | VISANOW Blog

Generally speaking, the USCIS is largely overlooking immigration-related offenses when it comes to making a decision about deferred action. They understand that many applicants will have some offenses on their record as a result of living in the U.S. up until now without legal status, and, for the most part, these offenses are not their primary concern.

This also applies to instances where an applicant has used someone else’s, or a made-up, social security number to get a job in the U.S. The USCIS is unlikely to hold this against you during the application process.

Although this element of the deferred action requirements seems more vague, it is meant to eliminate applicants who are involved in activities which may endanger the U.S. and its residents.

For the purposes of deferred action (according to the USCIS), this can include gang membership, attempted terrorist activities or affiliations, participation in an event which endangers the U.S., or recurring criminal activity.
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