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View Poll Results: What should we do in the short term about the illegal immigrant children sitting in detention?
If they have American Families, let them stay 11 6.40%
Deport them immediately to Mexico (Where they crossed) 49 28.49%
Deport them immediately to their home country 103 59.88%
If they don't have American family put them in foster care in the USA 9 5.23%
Voters: 172. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-05-2014, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Pa
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There is no such thing as a DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) . DACA was an Executive Order signed by Obama in 2012 after Congress refused to pass The Dream Act. Obama moved unilaterally without Congressional Authority.

There was NO Immigration Law in 1992.

1. There were Immigration Laws passed in 1986, 1990 & 1996.
2. Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008: Special Immigrant Juvenile Status
Provisions - Passed by Congress in December 2008, signed by President Bush on 12/23/08. This law was supposed to address Human Trafficking and Slavery of children. Under this Law - a "child" is defined as under the age of 21.

I find it amazing that anyone is buying the fairy tale that these 'children' that can't speak English and live in poverty well over 1,200 miles away ...... traveled by themselves through several countries to land in front of the US Border Patrol to turn themselves in - AND that they did this by finding and exploiting a "Loop-Hole" in USA Immigration Law.

The total Gullibility is astounding.
I find the reporting amazing. For example.
Dueling immigration rallies held in California
They refer to the opposing groups as:
anti-immigration and pro-immigration. The reality, the truth and the actual is:
Anti-illegal immigration and pro-illegal immigration groups. The White House and the press who seems to be hell bent on covering for Obama are pushing an Amnesty campaign. The use of misinformation or disinformation is appalling.

 
Old 07-05-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Kibby View Post
There is no such thing as a DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) . DACA was an Executive Order signed by Obama in 2012 after Congress refused to pass The Dream Act. Obama moved unilaterally without Congressional Authority.

There was NO Immigration Law in 1992.

1. There were Immigration Laws passed in 1986, 1990 & 1996.
2. Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008: Special Immigrant Juvenile Status
Provisions - Passed by Congress in December 2008, signed by President Bush on 12/23/08. This law was supposed to address Human Trafficking and Slavery of children. Under this Law - a "child" is defined as under the age of 21.

I find it amazing that anyone is buying the fairy tale that these 'children' that can't speak English and live in poverty well over 1,200 miles away ...... traveled by themselves through several countries to land in front of the US Border Patrol to turn themselves in - AND that they did this by finding and exploiting a "Loop-Hole" in USA Immigration Law.

The total Gullibility is astounding.
Sorry I picked up a wrong date. But you have picked up the right law...thanks.


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The William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, or TVPRA, was signed by President George W. Bush. It says that unaccompanied minors who aren’t from Mexico or Canada (known as “other than Mexicans” or OTMs) cannot be sent back to their home countries. Instead, CBP is to turn the undocumented children over to the Department of Health and Human Services within 72 hours. HHS will then hold them humanely until they can be released to a “suitable family member” in the US.

The child “shall be promptly placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child,” the law stipulates. “Placement of child trafficking victims may include placement in an Unaccompanied Refugee Minor program … if a suitable family member is not available to provide care.”
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Obama is apparently attempting to change the law. We will see. Probably can't get it done.-
 
Old 07-05-2014, 03:43 PM
 
Location: US
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The sticking point in the Gang of Eight bill is the citizenship. There is a difference between legal status and citizenship, and the support for citizenship is just not there, except possibly for the Kids Act which permits children who were brought here illegally by their parents to become citizens, including the Dreamers.

The House has signaled to the Senate that they would be willing to conference on it, break the bill down into smaller parts because Democrats and Republicans alike would like to pass a bill on immigration reform, except that the Democrats would argue for citizenship, and the country is not at all solid on that issue.

The Republicans would have to negotiate with Obama. Everyone in the House, Senate and the whole White House knows that Obama's main goal is to destroy the Republican party, and everyone knows he will not negotiate in good faith. So, yes, the bill is stuck in the House. The Gang of Eight bill will not pass the House in its current form. Boehner's political clout is weakened with the House because he pushed through the Democrat supported budget. So Obama is taking matters into his own hands.

We are agreeing on a lot, Ivoc, just not for the same reasons.

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Here is a good review of where the country is on the subject...

Immigration reform is super popular. Here’s why Congress isn’t listening. - The Washington Post

And it also makes it quite clear why nothing is likely to happen.

So the view of the people is clear. They want a fix of the sort in the Senate legislation.

But it is also clear Republicans do not and will react to support for such legislation while it is not a big deal out of those Republican circles.

So we are likely going to go on as we have and likely will end up with far more illegals.

Note the support for employer verification and strengthening the border. That though goes no where as well. In fact I would bet that the employer manage in the end to beat down any strong employer mandate.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 04:10 PM
 
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The sticking point in the Gang of Eight bill is the citizenship. There is a difference between legal status and citizenship, and the support for citizenship is just not there, except possibly for the Kids Act which permits children who were brought here illegally by their parents to become citizens, including the Dreamers.

The House has signaled to the Senate that they would be willing to conference on it, break the bill down into smaller parts because Democrats and Republicans alike would like to pass a bill on immigration reform, except that the Democrats would argue for citizenship, and the country is not at all solid on that issue.

The Republicans would have to negotiate with Obama. Everyone in the House, Senate and the whole White House knows that Obama's main goal is to destroy the Republican party, and everyone knows he will not negotiate in good faith. So, yes, the bill is stuck in the House. The Gang of Eight bill will not pass the House in its current form. Boehner's political clout is weakened with the House because he pushed through the Democrat supported budget. So Obama is taking matters into his own hands.

We are agreeing on a lot, Ivoc, just not for the same reasons.
Citizenship is a dull issue. The Hispanics don't care. In fact looking at some statistics on OC the other day 75% of the Hispanics are still not citizens though only about a third are illegal.

And in the end game any large group of permanent residents are going to end up eligible for citizenship even though most may not bother. My wife and a set of her friends and relatives became citizens only after I pointed out that foreign nationals can have significant problems with inheritance taxes and such.

Breaking up the bill is not going to fly. The Repubs are simply not trustworthy.

The right has been sufficiently hostile with Obama that they should expect and receive no quarters. And that war initiated from the right not the left. I think it overall a very bad thing for the US. But note that Hilary or whomever will likely be worse.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 04:15 PM
 
Location: The Great Outdoors
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But note that Hilary or whomever will likely be worse.
She's flip-flopped on immigration so much, who knows what her stance will end up being..
 
Old 07-05-2014, 04:16 PM
 
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Citizenship is a dull issue. The Hispanics don't care. In fact looking at some statistics on OC the other day 75% of the Hispanics are still not citizens though only about a third are illegal.

And in the end game any large group of permanent residents are going to end up eligible for citizenship even though most may not bother. My wife and a set of her friends and relatives became citizens only after I pointed out that foreign nationals can have significant problems with inheritance taxes and such.

Breaking up the bill is not going to fly. The Repubs are simply not trustworthy.

The right has been sufficiently hostile with Obama that they should expect and receive no quarters. And that war initiated from the right not the left. I think it overall a very bad thing for the US. But note that Hilary or whomever will likely be worse.
True -- a lot of that where I live. You don't have to be a citizen to get in on food stamps, WIC, housing vouchers, Medicaid, high paying jobs, or to vote --- but they like the non-citizenship status in case there is ever a draft, they won't have to go fight for this country.

They get all the advantages of citizenship without any of the responsibilities.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 04:31 PM
 
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True -- a lot of that where I live. You don't have to be a citizen to get in on food stamps, WIC, housing vouchers, Medicaid, high paying jobs, or to vote --- but they like the non-citizenship status in case there is ever a draft, they won't have to go fight for this country.

They get all the advantages of citizenship without any of the responsibilities.
Permanent Residents would be subject to the draft the same as a citizen. If of the qge they are required to register.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Deport immediately to their home country.
Bill the parents for the cost.
Can't re-enter until all debts are paid.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 04:37 PM
 
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Deport immediately to their home country.
Bill the parents for the cost.
Can't re-enter until all debts are paid.
Against the law. USofA law.

Why would you folks want to violate a US law?
 
Old 07-05-2014, 05:02 PM
 
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Against the law. USofA law.

Why would you folks want to violate a US law?
But it's Ok for ILLEGAL aliens to violate OUR laws. NOT!
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