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Old 12-18-2007, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Most illegals pay taxes with itin# so that rules out your argument about identity theft, fraud and tax evasion.

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Once they overstay their visas; their legality is moot anyway.

And; more and more I think about it, maybe it is indeed time to apply the RICO Act to any illegal here in the USA.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:06 PM
 
Location: At Sea....and Midwest....
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The real problem with such huge general amnesties is that once used...the idea continues to be recycled.....New groups push to have the same considerations and they get their day and their way in court...U.S. court of course......
The true meaning of an amnesty is to release people who have been imprisoned for no reason...political prisoners, prisoners of conscious and the like....
Somehow [guess where] in the U.S. this notion of an 'amnesty' has been "adapted" to apply to those that HAVE broken the law by flooding into the country without permission...... A rather Orwellian twist of meanings....

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Old 12-18-2007, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The real problem with such huge general amnesties is that once used...the idea continues to be recycled.....New groups push to have the same considerations and they get their day and their way in court...U.S. court of course......
The true meaning of an amnesty is to release people who have been imprisoned for no reason...political prisoners, prisoners of conscious and the like....
Somehow [guess where] in the U.S. this notion of an 'amnesty' has been "adapted" to apply to those that HAVE broken the law by flooding into the country without permission...... A rather Orwellian twist of meanings....
Uh huh; little or argument from me there.........
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Old 12-18-2007, 09:41 PM
 
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Somehow [guess where] in the U.S. this notion of an 'amnesty' has been "adapted"
I don't want to guess, where did this amnesty originate? Who adapted it?
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:08 PM
 
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The amnesty bill that failed this year had some good points but was not overall a good bill and was kind of rushed. Hopefully next year we will be able to come out with a much better bill that will give amnesty to the illegal immigrants that are here while ensuring that no more will come in the future. Such a bill needs to put the illegals here on a path to legalization and eventual citizenship while raising the stakes for scofflaw employers who hire illegals- including the threat of JAIL for them. Right now most of them view the penalties as a "cost of doing business" and nothing more. That needs to change. Also we need to implement the RealID act to get tamper proof biometric ID cards in the hands of every legal citizen as we do with Permanent Residents now so that employers know who is legal and cannot say "well he showed me (phony) documents". Also we need to beef up the Social Security match and make employers verify a match BUT allow a 30 day appeal period just in case that a mistake was made so the employee does not get fired for somebody's typo.
Immigration? Yep, LEGAL IMMIGRATION!!! Forget making a nice jump to the head of the line "path for illegals"...Send the illegals home and before they go, get their DNA, fingerprints and a retinal scan. If they are caught back here again, jail them.... make it a jail where they will be working for the county or state, so they do not suck our tax dollars out from us. Yes, jail or heavily fine the employers who knowingly hire the illegals; but watch out more for the guys who produce the people for seasonal labor when they are even more at fault.

It irritates me to no end that my ancestors had to come with a sponsor here and a job waiting and a citizenship path ( all pre-Ellis Island)....and now illegals come to make only money and send it home. They cost us money, from schools to welfare to jails and lots of other places.... send them back to where they came from, any of the 6 continents ( I doubt we have illegals from Antarctica -- penguins would stand out)
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Old 12-19-2007, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Too Bad. As one mother recently discovered, her child who was born in the US - she either had to leave him here or take him - inasmuch as she was being deported -

She left him
Can you begin to fantom what will happen to the budgets of social services, welfare, juvenile justice and medicaid if we have a few million children left without their parents in the USA? You do know the children are entitled as USA citizens to benefits? It is MUCH better to get the parents on a path to legality!
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Old 12-19-2007, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Only too true!! My mother-in-law used to rent apartments and she knew most of the people coming in were illegals but she could care less anyway because they were usually good renters. But, anyway, she said that most of them told her they were only going to stay for a few years or so until they could save enough to go back home and live well. The end goal for most is to come and remove money from our system, not to come here to make a better life HERE.
So when Americans go to Iraq to work for a year or two and make $130,000 tax free to bring home and "live good", are they too removing money from Iraq and not going there to make a better life?
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Old 12-19-2007, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Can you begin to fantom what will happen to the budgets of social services, welfare, juvenile justice and medicaid if we have a few million children left without their parents in the USA? You do know the children are entitled as USA citizens to benefits? It is MUCH better to get the parents on a path to legality!
Call me cold here: either the children will have to leave with their parents (but can return on their 18th birthday), friends/relatives who are legal can assume custody or said kids will need to be placed in orphanages and adopted out.
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Old 12-19-2007, 06:49 AM
 
Location: The Rock!
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So when Americans go to Iraq to work for a year or two and make $130,000 tax free to bring home and "live good", are they too removing money from Iraq and not going there to make a better life?
NO! They are being paid by the US government. It's OUR money that's being spent in Iraq, not the Iraqi's!
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Old 12-19-2007, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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So when Americans go to Iraq to work for a year or two and make $130,000 tax free to bring home and "live good", are they too removing money from Iraq and not going there to make a better life?
KevK - did you know that the pay our troops get while in Iraq (and Afganistan) is also tax free (federal)?
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