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Old 12-18-2007, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Amnesty CAN work if it is done right! With Reagan's amnesty, the laws were not really tough enough and there were too many loopholes for employers. For example, the word "knowingly" should be made a thing of the past. We have the ability to make a tamper proof biometric ID card for everybody in the USA legally and we need to get to doing it. We have the ability to instantly match SS numbers to employees and we need to require it! And the word "knowingly" needs to be removed. If we catch you hiring illegals, it is your ass! No ifs, ands or buts about it! And if we catch you sneaking in over the border, it is your ass! We will send you home once and if you return, you are going to get a nice long stopover in Federal Prison! As for them becoming citizens and sponsoring family, think about the time line- 3 years to become a Permanent Resident, 5 years to become a US Citizen and then, once the file an application, another 10 years or more to wait for a visa! That is 18 years and it is not likely many people will do that.
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Old 12-18-2007, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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The only amnesty I can see is just to announce that those here illegally and have no criminal record here and wish to become citizens of this country are welcome to return home and start out all over and do things the right way this time.

No moving to the front of the line for having broken the laws. There are many people who are doing just that -- applying for legal entry and waiting patiently. What a slap on the face for them to have the lawbreakers moved ahead of them -- even shutting out their chances for good.

Those who don't choose to return and do things right -- should be told that there will be no amnesty and if caught here, especially with fraudulent and stolen identifications, they will be prosecuted and the felony crime on their record will make it impossible to ever be given citizenship.

Leave them illegal -- that's the choice they themselves made when they came or overstayed their visas. And as they are discovered, prosecute and remove them.
To be FAIR, I would extend the "Probationary Resident" program to people waiting on visas. If they want to be sposored by an employer for a crappy job here for 3 years, then they too can come over now. Or they can wait a few more years for a Permanent Resident visa (and I have family waiting now)
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Old 12-18-2007, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Amnesty CAN work if it is done right!
No KevK - no more amnesty -

We were told the last time it was "done right" -

Nope
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:49 AM
 
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Why should they be given amnesty at all? These are people who have knowingly broken not only our immigration laws but also used false or stolen IDs, driven without a license or insurance and the list goes on and on. Why should we want them as fellow citizens? They have bilked and swindled the US taxpayer with their anchor baby scam, ignored our housing codes, marched in our streets demanding things they are most assuredly not entitled to and desecrated our flag. Tell them the gig is up, it is long past time for them to leave. This is not 'humane'? Having them here has been anything but humane for Americans who have been forced to flee their neighborhoods and watch their local hospitals close.
Send them home. Help Americans who have lost jobs because of them get back to work. If we need seasonal agricultural workers, bring them in from other parts of the world. There is no job an illegal is doing that cannot be done equally well by someone from Romania or Nepal. Give others a chance.

The simple fact that the illegals have been here for a long time should entitle them to nothing. Least of all amnesty.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:52 AM
 
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Amnesty CAN work if it is done right! With Reagan's amnesty, the laws were not really tough enough and there were too many loopholes for employers. For example, the word "knowingly" should be made a thing of the past. We have the ability to make a tamper proof biometric ID card for everybody in the USA legally and we need to get to doing it. We have the ability to instantly match SS numbers to employees and we need to require it! And the word "knowingly" needs to be removed. If we catch you hiring illegals, it is your ass! No ifs, ands or buts about it! And if we catch you sneaking in over the border, it is your ass! We will send you home once and if you return, you are going to get a nice long stopover in Federal Prison! As for them becoming citizens and sponsoring family, think about the time line- 3 years to become a Permanent Resident, 5 years to become a US Citizen and then, once the file an application, another 10 years or more to wait for a visa! That is 18 years and it is not likely many people will do that.
They are sitting here waiting for the next serial amnesty. They need to understand that there is NO POSSIBILITY they are going to be given citizenship. Once they realize that the gravy train has ground to a halt, the majority will leave on their own, IMO.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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They are sitting here waiting for the next serial amnesty. They need to understand that there is NO POSSIBILITY they are going to be given citizenship. Once they realize that the gravy train has ground to a halt, the majority will leave on their own, IMO.
Yeah, what Andrea said.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:45 AM
 
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No amnesty!

What we need to do is initiate contact deportations. Seize all assets, put the military on the border, and anyone caught illegally here needs to spend some time in a tent city jail.

Amnesty only encourages more to come. It's a reward. And ANY policy that doesn't require mandatory deportation is in itself a de facto amnesty.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Bike to Surf!
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All those already here and all those who would be arriving to get in on it as soon as it's announced -- they all have a number of people they will want to have join them here.
1. They would have to get jobs.
2. The program could be tailored to require proof that they were in the US and gainfully employed for a period of time prior to the announcement.

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For example, the Mexicans sending remittances back to family -- once handed their amnesty, you know they will want to bring in extended family members and friends. That would be one of their motives for getting citizenship.
It would take 8 years to become a citizen. 10 more years beyond that to bring in brothers/sisters. There is no "friend" visa for US citizens. Of course, I think we should eliminate extended family visas, anyway.

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That's what happened with the 80's amnesty. People came pouring over the border and ever since have been bringing in siblings, elderly parents, grandparents, cousins, aunts, uncles and so on.
You should get your facts straight. There is no visa for cousins, aunts, or uncles of US citizens. IR's (Children and Spouses) take about 1 year, brothers, sisters, and parents of adult children can obtain visas after a 6-10 year wait.

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There are many people who are doing just that -- applying for legal entry and waiting patiently. What a slap on the face for them to have the lawbreakers moved ahead of them -- even shutting out their chances for good.
There is no way for a foreigner to legally immigrate to the United States permanently other than through:
1. Family connections.
2. High-tech jobs, or transfers within a US-based or US-branched company.
3. The Diversity Lottery.
4. Marriage.

The only people "waiting in line" are those who are waiting to see if they win the diversity lottery (only a small number of countries are eligible to apply), and those who are being brought in by US-citizen relatives. Their timelines would be unchanged by the documenting of illegal alien residents. The US is closed to all other forms of immigration, but most people do not realize this.

It's funny, because those who are ignorant of immigration laws continuously cite the "feelings of the people waiting in line" while KevK has family who are waiting in line, yet he has no problems with a legalization process.
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Old 12-18-2007, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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So, Sponger . . . being selective is a BAD THING?

Simply put, since I am proudly selective when choosing my friends, I see no reason why The United States cannot and should not be selective when choosing who is allowed to enter and live here.

Granting blanket amnesty failed tragiclly back in the 80's so why, if nothing else, should we not learn from our mistakes and so NO WAY? We have more than our fair share of common criminals . . . we do not need to import more!
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Old 12-18-2007, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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They are sitting here waiting for the next serial amnesty. They need to understand that there is NO POSSIBILITY they are going to be given citizenship. Once they realize that the gravy train has ground to a halt, the majority will leave on their own, IMO.
I agree, Andreabeth . . .

Eliminate ALL incentives and most Illegals will self-deport immediately as they have no loyalty to this country.
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