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Old 06-29-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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Look, people like yourself can keep shouting, "What part of ILLEGAL don't people understand?" until you are blue in the face. It won't make any difference. It won't make any difference, because the kind of border control you want to see is simply impossible. It is impossible, because sealing the border against unauthorized human crossings would also require sealing the border against U.S.-Mexico trade. And that would create an economic catastrophe.

In fact, it already has, once. Richard Nixon tried to seal the border back in 1969 as part of Operation Intercept, a program designed to stop marijuana smuggling. Operation Intercept was quite successful at stopping illegal border crossings. However, it also caused trade between U.S. and Mexico to grind to a standstill. The economic impact of that lost trade was so devastating, Nixon, who was no liberal, was forced to call a halt to Operation Intercept after just 20 days!

The bottom line: you can't have it both ways. You cannot expect to maintain a free northward flow of eggplants and avocados without also expecting a free northward flow of illegal immigrants and marijuana.

Illegal immigrants are a fact of life in every country in the world. They are here to stay. Best let them get drivers' licenses. That way, there won't be so many uninsured drivers around.
Oh, that's right.......because ILLEGAL ALIENS, who broke US laws to come to this country, will magically fall in line and get the insurance that's required BY LAW of them.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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Old 06-29-2014, 12:49 PM
 
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Oh, that's right.......because ILLEGAL ALIENS, who broke US laws to come to this country, will magically fall in line and get the insurance that's required BY LAW of them.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
But getting insurance is in their own self-interest. Do you think most of them want to pay thousands of dollars out-of-pocket if they get in an accident? Of course not. They don't want that any more than you would.

This is why I think the term "illegal alien" needs to be discarded. It falsely associates people's immigration status with criminal behavior. If an undocumented immigrants murders someone, he is a murderer. He is a murdered because he killed someone. The fact he doesn't have immigration papers is irrelevant.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:08 PM
 
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But getting insurance is in their own self-interest. Do you think most of them want to pay thousands of dollars out-of-pocket if they get in an accident? Of course not. They don't want that any more than you would.

This is why I think the term "illegal alien" needs to be discarded. It falsely associates people's immigration status with criminal behavior. If an undocumented immigrants murders someone, he is a murderer. He is a murdered because he killed someone. The fact he doesn't have immigration papers is irrelevant.
If state laws don't mandate that they get insurance, the vast majority of illegal aliens do NOT purchase it. Try doing some research and read the stories about people who were seriously injured in accidents caused by illegal aliens. If the illegal alien isn't injured, more often than not, s/he flees the scene of the accident. And as for those injured? They end up getting nothing from the illegal alien. After all, you can't get blood from a stone.

The term "illegal alien" is apt. They either sneaked across a border or overstayed a visa, both of which are crimes.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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The bottom line: you can't have it both ways. You cannot expect to maintain a free northward flow of eggplants and avocados without also expecting a free northward flow of illegal immigrants and marijuana.

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True, and no Mexican-US trade most likely means FEWER US auto sector jobs, as components to build them, cross that border, in both directions.

I'd forgotten about Nixon's failed idea.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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Are you serious?

Because declaring legal ports of entry doesn't give you magic powers to automatically weed out people who cross illegally. You may as well ask, "Why not move deer crossing signs away from busy highways?"
Why wouldn't it? Do you actually think that most illegals would enter thru a legal port of entry? Besides your claim was that trade couldn't occur if we secured our border. That's simply not true as there would always be legal ports of entry as I told you before.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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But getting insurance is in their own self-interest. Do you think most of them want to pay thousands of dollars out-of-pocket if they get in an accident? Of course not. They don't want that any more than you would.

This is why I think the term "illegal alien" needs to be discarded. It falsely associates people's immigration status with criminal behavior. If an undocumented immigrants murders someone, he is a murderer. He is a murdered because he killed someone. The fact he doesn't have immigration papers is irrelevant.
No it doesn't! Illegal = their status in this country. Alien= a foreigner. Try again.
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Old 06-29-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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But getting insurance is in their own self-interest. Do you think most of them want to pay thousands of dollars out-of-pocket if they get in an accident? Of course not. They don't want that any more than you would.

This is why I think the term "illegal alien" needs to be discarded. It falsely associates people's immigration status with criminal behavior. If an undocumented immigrants murders someone, he is a murderer. He is a murdered because he killed someone. The fact he doesn't have immigration papers is irrelevant.

Do you honestly think that most ILLEGAL ALIENS even consider their own self-interest? Of course they don't, they are here ILLEGALLY. They aren't going to pay out-of-pocket money because most people won't waste their time and money pursuing ILLEGAL ALIENS in court. Of course, if the feds were doing their job, we wouldn't have to have this discussion.

The term "illegal alien" isn't used enough. That's what they became the minute they broke the immigration laws to come in to this country........illegally.
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Old 06-29-2014, 02:04 PM
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These people are causing harm to our country. Our constitution says it is treason to aid anyone that is purposely attacking us. We are having an illegal invasion that is harmful to all Americans and the future of our country. Granting them any aid is treason. It needs to stop.
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Old 06-29-2014, 03:33 PM
 
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But getting insurance is in their own self-interest. Do you think most of them want to pay thousands of dollars out-of-pocket if they get in an accident? Of course not. They don't want that any more than you would.

This is why I think the term "illegal alien" needs to be discarded. It falsely associates people's immigration status with criminal behavior. If an undocumented immigrants murders someone, he is a murderer. He is a murdered because he killed someone. The fact he doesn't have immigration papers is irrelevant.
Uh, try saying THAT in Mexico to the cops there if you're a Guatemalan. Sheesh!

My point is ALL countries have laws to keep out ILLEGAL aliens.
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Old 06-29-2014, 09:18 PM
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But getting insurance is in their own self-interest. Do you think most of them want to pay thousands of dollars out-of-pocket if they get in an accident? Of course not. They don't want that any more than you would.

This is why I think the term "illegal alien" needs to be discarded. It falsely associates people's immigration status with criminal behavior. If an undocumented immigrants murders someone, he is a murderer. He is a murdered because he killed someone. The fact he doesn't have immigration papers is irrelevant.
The fact that he doesn't have immigration papers and sets up housekeeping here without them makes him a criminal. A criminal is a person who breaks the law. Some countries kill invaders for this. We are experiencing an illegal invasion. It is a criminal thing they are doing that is out of control because our country has never done anything about it.

We walked across the border for a visit to Mexico because the car we were renting did not have insurance in Mexico. Getting insurance is a personal responsibility to others too. To go driving without it is irresponsible. We were told by our insurance company that we needed to make sure to get collusion too because so many are driving without a license or insurance here in our state. They have no money so it is just tough if you are in an accident with them. These people are criminals with no respect for our laws. Otherwise they wouldn't be here.
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