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View Poll Results: Should the President take executive action on the border?
Yes 13 13.00%
No 82 82.00%
Other 5 5.00%
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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Actually, it was the Republicans that called him out on his so-called high deportation numbers. Even Obama admitted that they were jacked up. What does doing nothing mean to you? Would it be because the House Republicans refuse to grant amnesty aka CIR? Why should they do that and how would that fix the problem? How would that deter future illegal immigration? It would only encourage more.
The differences are only semantic in that ,a path to legal citizenship, work permits, and amnesty all have the same effect on the daily lives of imigrants.IMO work permits would be defacto slavery, working in America with out the protection of citizenship.
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Obama in the past has said one thing and then turned around and executed something completely different.
Why think this time will be different.

Give him the power he wants and there's no going back.

And the Dems in Congress seem to support this. They say he's "borrowing" their power to do what's right.

Not to invoke Godwin's Law but geeze people..this is exactly how Hitler came into power.
He asked for it and was given it by the people and government. It was incremental over time.
Hasn't history taught us anything ?

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Old 07-01-2014, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Pa
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The differences are only semantic in that ,a path to legal citizenship, work permits, and amnesty all have the same effect on the daily lives of imigrants.IMO work permits would be defacto slavery, working in America with out the protection of citizenship.
Completely untrue. Non-citizens enjoy the protection of our constitution equally. This is evidenced by illegals being able to sue their employers. I find this ridiculous given that the illegal entered into the entire thing knowing that they were breaking our laws then demand that our laws protect them.
If you have a work VISA you are protected by our employment laws just as a citizen is.
Slavery.
Slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you have choice, if you are paid if you enter into the agreement willingly it is not slavery. Slavery is a term that is way over used, especially in regards to illegals.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:55 AM
 
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Between 62-67% of all Americans support some form of pathway to citizenship. The key word being "some form". In the good old days Congress would get together and hammer out some type of agreement. Both would walk away with getting some of the things they wanted while giving up some other things. It was called compromise which seems to be a strange concept now days. Now they sit and do nothing while more and more illegals enter the country. Common sense has abandoned our government and we are suffering for it. It is time for us to come up with a permanent solution for illegal immigration. We have a real problem on our hands and we need real solutions. Self deportation is a pipe dream. Building a fence is stupid. If you don't deny jobs to illegals you can forget about any type of reform working. Who gets in and who does not is something the lawmakers need to determine. If we don't use a common sense approach we will be having this same conversation 10 years from now.

Reggie
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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He's not "taking action on the border." In fact, he's refused to take action on the border. What he's going to do is implement his own version of "immigration reform." That's French for "amnesty."
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Between 62-67% of all Americans support some form of pathway to citizenship. The key word being "some form". In the good old days Congress would get together and hammer out some type of agreement. Both would walk away with getting some of the things they wanted while giving up some other things. It was called compromise which seems to be a strange concept now days. Now they sit and do nothing while more and more illegals enter the country. Common sense has abandoned our government and we are suffering for it. It is time for us to come up with a permanent solution for illegal immigration. We have a real problem on our hands and we need real solutions. Self deportation is a pipe dream. Building a fence is stupid. If you don't deny jobs to illegals you can forget about any type of reform working. Who gets in and who does not is something the lawmakers need to determine. If we don't use a common sense approach we will be having this same conversation 10 years from now.

Reggie
Yes Obama and his misleading of the people has been successful. He has ran a very successful misinformation campaign. The Immigration reform bill delays mandatory E-Verify for 5 years after it is passed.. It would only be applied to future employees. Current employees would be exempt. You speak of common sense approach? It is common sense that the first step is to eliminate what draws illegals to the United States. That is the potential to work here. Common sense and conventional wisdom dictate that you don't reward unwanted behavior. The Immigration reform bill does exactly that. It is a bad bill laced with massive pork that does very little to address the actual problem.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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NO.... I would support the president if he enforced the law and not sought to reward illegals. The majority of Americans do not agree with his approach, and I certainly disagree with his dishonesty in regards to illegals.
Ohhh....but... he gives such a nice BS speech.
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Old 07-01-2014, 10:15 AM
 
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Completely untrue. Non-citizens enjoy the protection of our constitution equally. This is evidenced by illegals being able to sue their employers. I find this ridiculous given that the illegal entered into the entire thing knowing that they were breaking our laws then demand that our laws protect them.
If you have a work VISA you are protected by our employment laws just as a citizen is.
Slavery.
Slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you have choice, if you are paid if you enter into the agreement willingly it is not slavery. Slavery is a term that is way over used, especially in regards to illegals.
If the jobs illegal immigrants work pay so well and since the working conditions are so agreeable ,why is it that no legal citizen will work them? Share Cropping resembled slavery and people chose to accept the terms of that labor system. A slave was so valuable to his " employer" that heaven and earth was moved to keep slaves as slaves. The debate over illegal immigrants is employers want to keep them illegal. Politicians again are being summoned for the cause of wealthy landowners to change the laws so that the status of these people will never change. Immigration reform is our Civil War and the president is Harriet Tubman.
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Old 07-01-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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Does anyone on this forum thinks a politican is going to send cheap labor back across the border. Dems want them for potential voters and pubs want them for the cheap labor. Anyone who thinks this is not the case clearly has issues with facing the truth.

Reggie
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Pa
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If the jobs illegal immigrants work pay so well and since the working conditions are so agreeable ,why is it that no legal citizen will work them? Share Cropping resembled slavery and people chose to accept the terms of that labor system. A slave was so valuable to his " employer" that heaven and earth was moved to keep slaves as slaves. The debate over illegal immigrants is employers want to keep them illegal. Politicians again are being summoned for the cause of wealthy landowners to change the laws so that the status of these people will never change. Immigration reform is our Civil War and the president is Harriet Tubman.
Myths and they have been busted numerous times.
less than 25% of agricultural jobs are done by illegals.
Jobs americans won't do? Not at the low ball wages illegals are willing to do them for. It is a complete Myth that illegals only do the jobs legals won't do. The issue is pay scale, not work ethic. Do you believe the greedy employer passes on the savings to you the consumer?
The share cropping analogy is a fail as is any analogy to slave labor.
The President is no Harriet Tubman and you insult the woman's legacy with such a comparison. Illegals are criminals and criminals by choice. Obama is pandering to a very specific voting block and ignoring the actual issues with our system. We as a nation have no need to import uneducated illiterate people. We produce more than enough on our own. We have no need to import more criminals. Those too we produce more than enough on our own.
If anything we need to raise the bar on who is an acceptable immigrant. We don't need more poor who will only be a burden upon us. We have no moral requirement to grant a free pass for the many laws illegals have violated. In fact we have a moral requirement to make sure every illegal caught is prosecuted and held accountable for their crimes.
Obama is a snake oil salesman at best and a corrupt failure at worse.
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