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View Poll Results: Should the President take executive action on the border?
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Old 07-02-2014, 02:20 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I really don't know how the immigration issue will finally get settled but conservatives are not going to be the first people in the history of the world to stop the migration of people across a continent, something that has occurred with regularity since the beginning of time without regard to ; walls , laws, wars, feast, famine, deserts, ragging seas, tyrants or natural disasters. Hitler tried with some success but it cost Germany more than it was worth.
Queue the Hitler reference.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:18 PM
 
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Here we go again.
slavery (ˈsleɪvərɪ)
n
1. (Law) the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune
2. the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work

Illegals enter into the relationship willingly. In fact they knowingly violate a number of laws just to enter into the relationship willingly. They deserve no compassion, no reward for their misdeeds. They are no more a slave than a car jacker is to the chop shop that buys the stolen car.
Sometimes I want shake illegals and tell them we have laws, millions of legals have been welcomed to this country. Try obeying our laws if you want a little respect.
Because all Americans set such a fine example of citizenship and being observant of the laws of the land.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:22 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
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Because all Americans set such a fine example of citizenship and being observant of the laws of the land.
And yet if I get caught breaking the law, and can be arrested, face a fine or go to jail. They get caught breaking the law, they are given a drivers license, get free health care, and many other benefits.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:27 PM
 
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And yet if I get caught breaking the law, and can be arrested, face a fine or go to jail. They get caught breaking the law, they are given a drivers license, get free health care, and many other benefits.
Exactly! We are all human and many do break laws but we should expect to pay the consequences of it instead of being rewarded for it. The consequences of violating our immigration laws is deportation and rightly so.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Because all Americans set such a fine example of citizenship and being observant of the laws of the land.
Nice deflection. LOL too bad you have no rebuttal.
Illegals are criminals and by choice. There is no honor among thieves and to think otherwise is foolish. Illegals don't care who they harm, whose livelihood they endanger, or whose life might be screwed up when they use a fraudulent SSN. Like all criminals they seek to justify their actions. Like all criminals there really is no excuse.
You did raise a valid point. We do have a lot of criminals in the United States. So explain to me, why we need to import more?
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I really don't know how the immigration issue will finally get settled but conservatives are not going to be the first people in the history of the world to stop the migration of people across a continent, something that has occurred with regularity since the beginning of time without regard to ; walls , laws, wars, feast, famine, deserts, ragging seas, tyrants or natural disasters. Hitler tried with some success but it cost Germany more than it was worth.
You never will make illegal immigration a 0 event. What you can do is reduce it to manageable numbers. Mandatory E-Verify on all employees both current and future. Back it with hefty fines and jail time for offenders. No one in their right mind will face such consequences. As the jobs disappear so will illegals. basic supply and demand. I would include Joe cheapskate trolling Home depot parking lots for cheap labor.
The Fed needs to allow local law enforcement the ability to police their own streets. If a cop catches a person making their own money does the fed sue that police department? NO
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:59 PM
 
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Slavery is keeping people in a social, economic and political status so they can be policed by anyone; employers, landlords, people on the street. A work permit is the equivalent to " papers" a slave carried with him to allow him to work and travel off the plantation. People have mythologized slavery to the point they don't or refused to recognized it as it exist today. Just yesterday people on the street policed a bus load of slaves. Trust me, allowing Mexicans to stay in America legally is no more a reward than emancipation was for black people. It took another 100 years for them to get their Civil Rights. Sometimes I want to shake Mexicans and tell them do you know what the hell you are in for ? It's not worth it.
Uh; going by what YOU'RE saying: ANY legal alien is a "slave", not just a Mexican. Too; legal aliens can become US citizens, even Mexicans. Sheesh!
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:02 PM
 
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Because all Americans set such a fine example of citizenship and being observant of the laws of the land.
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And yet if I get caught breaking the law, and can be arrested, face a fine or go to jail. They get caught breaking the law, they are given a drivers license, get free health care, and many other benefits.
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Exactly! We are all human and many do break laws but we should expect to pay the consequences of it instead of being rewarded for it. The consequences of violating our immigration laws is deportation and rightly so.
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Nice deflection. LOL too bad you have no rebuttal.
Illegals are criminals and by choice. There is no honor among thieves and to think otherwise is foolish. Illegals don't care who they harm, whose livelihood they endanger, or whose life might be screwed up when they use a fraudulent SSN. Like all criminals they seek to justify their actions. Like all criminals there really is no excuse.
You did raise a valid point. We do have a lot of criminals in the United States. So explain to me, why we need to import more?
Me007,Oldglory and tinman said it all. IF I broke the law and got caught; I'd need to take my lumps.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge
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Why doesn't President Obama and his administarion take an executive order on enforcing the existing immigration laws? If the laws already in place were followed and enforced then today's immigration and border issues would not exist. The government would not be wasting precious time, energy and resources on spinning their wheels. Enforce the laws and move on. This issue/subject is getting old.

-Cheers.
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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Why doesn't President Obama and his administarion take an executive order on enforcing the existing immigration laws? If the laws already in place were followed and enforced then today's immigration and border issues would not exist. The government would not be wasting precious time, energy and resources on spinning their wheels. Enforce the laws and move on. This issue/subject is getting old.

-Cheers.
Agreed. It IS getting old that illegal aliens are even allowed to stay in the US.
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