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Old 07-07-2014, 09:37 PM
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If you read the comments on news articles, there is a clear pattern of a vast majority being strongly against amnesty. Furthermore, most want the illegals out, and a border fence up.

Considering Cantors loss to a political newb, I can't help but wonder if the next President of the US will be whomever is against amnesty, and for deportation and putting up a border fence.

The decades of illegal immigratio has vastly changed the cultural landscape of the US, even as far north as Washington state. The vast majority of people I know are outraged. I can't help but wonder if in 2016, the Political landscape will shift and result in a mass exodus of illegals.
It would have changed the last election if Romney had not waffled and started courting the illegals. He was ahead in the polls before he pulled the courting act.
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Old 07-07-2014, 09:48 PM
 
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It would have changed the last election if Romney had not waffled and started courting the illegals. He was ahead in the polls before he pulled the courting act.
Romney lost for several reasons. The first being that he has the personality of wet cardboard. Half of getting elected is being likable.
Another being that his team embellished on the facts. Obama's record was bad enough to just stick to the facts and not BS them. Had he done so it would have handicapped Obama's team. Romney and company gave Obama the bullets to damage his credibility.
The immigration issue. Obama gave Romney an easy lob and Romney flubbed it. Obama chastised Romney for advocating that we enforce laws or create laws that would force illegals to self deport. Obama went on to call it inhumane.
Romney should have spiked it right back at Obama. Yes that's right. My Opponent would rather we welcome illegals and ignore the fact that they are displacing Americans from the work force. Then present statistics of how many blue collar jobs have gone to illegals. How many illegals are in our prisons for committing violent crimes, how many illegals are arrested for driving without a license. How much does the document fraud committed by illegals cost this nation. etc.
Then when Obama asked about legalizing them, Romney could then ask what other crimes we should forgive simply because it's more convenient to do so.
Romney lost because as bad as Obama is and was, Romney's team sucked.

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Old 07-07-2014, 09:54 PM
 
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"Will illegal immigration determine the 2016 Presidential election?"

No, it never has before. This time is no different.
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Old 07-07-2014, 10:00 PM
 
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"Will illegal immigration determine the 2016 Presidential election?"

No, it never has before. This time is no different.
It will depend upon what this ends up costing us. The Mariel Boat Lift certainly didn't help Carter. At the very least this surge won't help Democrats in traditionally red states. If the right can start pounding facts about the real impact of illegals? Who knows?
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Old 07-07-2014, 10:03 PM
 
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It will depend upon what this ends up costing us. The Mariel Boat Lift certainly didn't help Carter. At the very least this surge won't help Democrats in traditionally red states. If the right can start pounding facts about the real impact of illegals? Who knows?
OMG, you're right. This bunch of "kids" coming from below Mexico DOES sound like "Mariel". Tho I really didn't know about the Cuban thing till I was older. That came down when I was a teen.
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Old 07-07-2014, 10:14 PM
 
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OMG, you're right. This bunch of "kids" coming from below Mexico DOES sound like "Mariel". Tho I really didn't know about the Cuban thing till I was older. That came down when I was a teen.
That boat lift brought quite a few criminals with it and should have ended the wet foot dry foot policy. The only reason that it didn't was the cold war.
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Old 07-07-2014, 11:58 PM
 
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Anti immigrant or anti-illegal immigrant. There is a huge difference. You do know the difference right?
Bogus poll = Poll you disagree with?
No, bogus poll = one taken by a propaganda organization, like the CIS as opposed to one taken by a legitimate news gathering/polling operation.

CIS has a stated agenda, do you think they would produce a poll that shows any other result than one they'd find favorable? If they did I guarantee we'd never hear of it.
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Old 07-08-2014, 12:01 AM
 
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That poll was an outlier for the nearly the whole of the election season, especially the last month. It was wrong, but the aggregate of the polls accurately predicted a fairly easy Obama electoral victory, so much so that wishful thinking GOPers "unskewed" them.
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Old 07-08-2014, 07:35 AM
 
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Internet comment sections do not constitute a valid or legitimate scientific measurement of public opinion. Anyone with an IQ higher than two digits knows that mathematical fact.
Anyone with an IQ higher than two digits also knows how and when to use the words "anti-immigrant" and "anti-illegal immigrant" in the proper context.
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Old 07-08-2014, 07:56 AM
 
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Anyone with an IQ higher than two digits also knows how and when to use the words "anti-immigrant" and "anti-illegal immigrant" in the proper context.
We all know that it is done on purpose.
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