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Old 07-10-2014, 07:37 PM
 
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I wish your last sentence were true but the polls, marches, advocacy groups prove the opposite.
You won't find me or any of my family members voting for amnesty.

I also believe that Hispanics who have been in this country for a few or more generations don't like illegals either.
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Old 07-10-2014, 07:50 PM
 
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You won't find me or any of my family members voting for amnesty.

I also believe that Hispanics who have been in this country for a few or more generations don't like illegals either.
It's true that some Hispanics aren't for amnesty or aren't pro-illegal but the fact still remains that the majority of them are. I wish that weren't true I really do. Thank you for not being one of them and being a patriotic American.
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Old 07-10-2014, 08:33 PM
 
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Thank you, Oldglory.

We have neighbors who are legal immigrants from South America and they hate illegals. The wife told me that there is no excuse for illegals to not learn English.
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Old 07-11-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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Ever heard of the hispanic community? It's sort of a big issue for them and they've tended to vote one way lately for some reason.
This argument can be used for any group. Gays vote for Democrats for gay rights, gun lovers vote for Republicans for gun rights, evangelical Christians vote for Republicans for social issues, Union members vote for Democrats for Union rights etc. Most Americans vote for what is best for them personally and not necessarily what is best for the whole country (depending on the issue). Both sides do this.
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Old 07-11-2014, 11:50 PM
 
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This argument can be used for any group. Gays vote for Democrats for gay rights, gun lovers vote for Republicans for gun rights, evangelical Christians vote for Republicans for social issues, Union members vote for Democrats for Union rights etc. Most Americans vote for what is best for them personally and not necessarily what is best for the whole country (depending on the issue). Both sides do this.
Agreed.
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Old 07-12-2014, 01:02 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Will illegal immigration determine the 2016 Presidential election?
Considering that both political parties are not really doing anything about illegal immigration, I think it should have no impact on the outcome. However, what will make an impact is how people perceive each party is handling illegal immigration.

[who puts on a better dog and pony show?]
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Old 07-12-2014, 01:23 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Considering that both political parties are not really doing anything about illegal immigration, I think it should have no impact on the outcome. However, what will make an impact is how people perceive each party is handling illegal immigration.

[who puts on a better dog and pony show?]

Well I will tell you this. Our good friends who do live in Murrieta, in a gorgeous custom home on 2 acres. And had to put up with the most hellish week ever.

Hold no person responsible except for Obama, who in their opinion, never lived up to his end of the bargain, as what he said in 0/9 and 0/10. That he would see to it that our borders would become secure and border city's would become safe. Yes he did say that, because I taped him saying this and have him on tape.

Perhaps I should send him a copy of that tape, just saying to refresh his memory.

Forget past, this is here and now, and things were never so out of control like now. He has made them feel more welcome, and the welcome machine from him is out.

He has not been tougher on this issue, make these people feel they will get amnesty and live the American dream and they will come in groves.

They hold him responsible, and they were die hard democrats, no more. They are fed the hell up with him and this administration and feel let down by our government.

When these things happen and hit so close to home, you change, and that is what happened to this couple.

Some of those illegals had scabies, and other diseases. Which do not need to be spread, and some of the teens were actually men pawned off as teens. Just not a good situation, Our Country has it's own share of problems, with the black race, and high unemployment, our poor, our homeless those on welfare, our vets, and one gosh damn marine in Mexico, that he can't get out of jail. We need to step it up with Mexico, and get tougher with them.
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:38 AM
 
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I don't believe that most "patriotic" Americans advocate for something that is a detriment to this nation as a whole and in fact is a detriment to themselves personally also. Illegal immigration is a negative to us all and we don't get to vote on this issue.
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:47 AM
 
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Well I will tell you this. Our good friends who do live in Murrieta, in a gorgeous custom home on 2 acres. And had to put up with the most hellish week ever.

Hold no person responsible except for Obama, who in their opinion, never lived up to his end of the bargain, as what he said in 0/9 and 0/10. That he would see to it that our borders would become secure and border city's would become safe. Yes he did say that, because I taped him saying this and have him on tape.

Perhaps I should send him a copy of that tape, just saying to refresh his memory.

Forget past, this is here and now, and things were never so out of control like now. He has made them feel more welcome, and the welcome machine from him is out.

He has not been tougher on this issue, make these people feel they will get amnesty and live the American dream and they will come in groves.

They hold him responsible, and they were die hard democrats, no more. They are fed the hell up with him and this administration and feel let down by our government.

When these things happen and hit so close to home, you change, and that is what happened to this couple.

Some of those illegals had scabies, and other diseases. Which do not need to be spread, and some of the teens were actually men pawned off as teens. Just not a good situation, Our Country has it's own share of problems, with the black race, and high unemployment, our poor, our homeless those on welfare, our vets, and one gosh damn marine in Mexico, that he can't get out of jail. We need to step it up with Mexico, and get tougher with them.
That is just horrible.

The USA can not guard our borders....very telling.
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Old 07-12-2014, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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This argument can be used for any group. Gays vote for Democrats for gay rights, gun lovers vote for Republicans for gun rights, evangelical Christians vote for Republicans for social issues, Union members vote for Democrats for Union rights etc. Most Americans vote for what is best for them personally and not necessarily what is best for the whole country (depending on the issue). Both sides do this.
Indeed they do. The Democrats have bought a whole lot of votes by giving away food stamps at a record rate, giving away free Obamaphones, giving away subsidies to Obamacare, making special carveouts to Obamacare, giving women access to abortions and contraceptives. This border situation is simply another way the Democrats have discovered to grow future entitlement dependency through amnesty. The attack on Christianity is an all out effort on the Democrats to promote gay rights, abortion, and contraceptives. A large part of this vote buying is on the taxpayer dollar.
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