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Old 07-14-2014, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Other pigs will fly soon IMHO.
Are you saying you actually believe something will be done about the 14th Amendment???
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:25 PM
 
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Are you saying you actually believe something will be done about the 14th Amendment???
Yes. I say because I don't know of any decent rich country that still has birthright except for the US and maybe Canada in 2014.
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Old 07-14-2014, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Well, our crazy politicians don't care if we're decent or remain rich. As a matter of fact, it appears they prefer the opposite. Import poverty, crime, disease from around the world, and allow the new noncontributors/leeches to remain here and breed (and bring in) more of the same, allow criminals through without compunction because our so-called "laws" allow it. There isn't any law protecting the future of the citizens in this country anymore, imo.

Laughing stock, indeed. We've lost our minds.
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:55 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Well, our crazy politicians don't care if we're decent or remain rich. As a matter of fact, it appears they prefer the opposite. Import poverty, crime, disease from around the world, and allow the new noncontributors/leeches to remain here and breed (and bring in) more of the same, allow criminals through without compunction because our so-called "laws" allow it. There isn't any law protecting the future of the citizens in this country anymore, imo.

Laughing stock, indeed. We've lost our minds.

We have lost our minds, when we decided our borders did not need protecting. I agree with the rest of your post also.
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:59 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Agreed. Even Ireland; which was a bad joke not too far back in the day, no longer hands out birthright citizenship. Maybe because the Emerald Isle is now pretty rich, it's become a haven for both kinds of aliens and, Dublin has said "enough"!
When is the US finally going to say, enough is enough already. Free passage way is what we are for one and all. Pretty soon, there will be a welcome wagon to greet these law invaders.
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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Couple of clarifications from one of the resident railroad buffs:

The picture was taken in Oaxaca; one of the southernmost provinces in Mexico. So the illegals are likely just coming into Mexico rather than preparing to cross the border into the U. S. There is very little rail service of any kind in Central America (United Fruit used to dominate it years ago) and virtually no "through" freight. This might have been the first time some of the "passengers" saw an iron horse.

With the exception of a brand-new commuter service for Mexico City and a tourist operation through the Barranca del Cobre (Copper Canyon), all rail passenger service in Mexico ended back in the late Nineties. Prior to that time, much of the equipment was American, sold at bargain prices as American railroads downgraded their passenger service in the Sixties. In addition to some of the better-off oldsters, American railroad buffs flocked to it, just as they pursued a last glimpse of American-style steam locomotives in the late Sixties. But Mexico is a young nation; so everybody without a car takes the bus or flies.

Until about twelve years ago, the Mexican rail system consisted mostly of the National Railways of Mexico (NDeM), plus a few private holders like the Pacific Railroad (FCP) along the West Coast. The decline of the long-standing Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) junta led to a privatization movement that cut NDeM into three systems, and that, combined with NAFTA led to a point where Mexican freight cars (including the pooled auto-carriers) can now occasionally be seen just about anywhere in North America.

As an aside, most younger people don't recognize that "the vagabond lifestyle" was very common in the United States, particularly between the Civil War and the start of the Twentieth Century. It grew on its own, provided for a huge pool of transient labor at a time in our history when that was all an incomplete agrarian-to-industrial economy could support. A book by Mark Wyman entitled Hoboes, Bindlestiffs, etc. and the Harvesting of America provides an accurate, if very gritty picture.

And to the hot-heads from both the Left and Right on this issue -- it ain't likely to happen again.

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Old 07-18-2014, 10:03 PM
 
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Couple of clarifications from one of the resident railroad buffs:

The picture was taken in Oaxaca; one of the southernmost provinces in Mexico. So the illegals are likely just coming into Mexico rather than preparing to cross the border into the U. S. There is very little rail service of any kind in Central America (United Fruit used to dominate it years ago) and virtually no "through" freight. This might have been the first time some of the "passengers" saw an iron horse.

With the exception of a brand-new commuter service for Mexico City and a tourist operation through the Barranca del Cobre (Copper Canyon), all rail passenger service in Mexico ended back in the late Nineties. Prior to that time, much of the equipment was American, sold at bargain prices as American railroads downgraded their passenger service in the Sixties. In addition to some of the better-off oldsters, American railroad buffs flocked to it, just as they pursued a last glimpse of American-style steam locomotives in the late Sixties. But Mexico is a young nation; so everybody without a car takes the bus or flies.

Until about twelve years ago, the Mexican rail system consisted mostly of the National Railways of Mexico (NDeM), plus a few private holders like the Pacific Railroad (FCP) along the West Coast. The decline of the long-standing Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) junta led to a privatization movement that cut NDeM into three systems, and that, combined with NAFTA led to a point where Mexican freight cars (including the pooled auto-carriers) can now occasionally be seen just about anywhere in North America.

As an aside, most younger people don't recognize that "the vagabond lifestyle" was very common in the United States, particularly between the Civil War and the start of the Twentieth Century. It grew on its own, provided for a huge pool of transient labor at a time in our history when that was all an incomplete agrarian-to-industrial economy could support. A book by Mark Wyman entitled Hoboes, Bindlestiffs, etc. and the Harvesting of America provides an accurate, if very gritty picture.

And to the hot-heads from both the Left and Right on this issue -- it ain't likely to happen again.
I mostly agree but, Mexico is about 35 years "younger" than the US but in 2014 it's a LOT like the US of about 90 years ago.
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