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Old 12-20-2007, 06:08 AM
 
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Don't you think we'd be met with such force if we were invading Mexico (or any other country for that matter)illegally by the millons? It's a friggin joke when you think about it. Imagine us invading Mexico insisting that everything be in English and Spanish. Stealing Mexican citizens ID's. Taking their jobs and using their schools and hospitals but not paying for it then protesting in their streets for "our rights." Unbelievable!
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:03 AM
 
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This is one thread I really had to look into before I could figure it out. I wondered if the agents were being attacked by illegal aliens, or attacked by their department. They run the risk of both, in the daily course of their duties. Offhand I would guess the attacks by frustrated illegals are more frequent, but the attacks by their own government are far more devastating and demoralizing to these agents.
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It's all about the votes! Both parties see the Hispanic population as their ticket to getting in or keeping power. Neither party is going to do jackzhit about stopping the flow of illegals.
The so-called 'Hispanics' are a small minority------and; many of them are anti illegal as well.

Besides; as I have commented on in the past, there is the probable political counterweight of the Black community as well.

Yes; the AA's tend to vote Democratic; but, come 2008 many of 'em may sit out the Presidential election if it meant supporting a pro illegal Democrat over a Republican.
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Addendum: if anybody throws any variety of projectile at a Border Patrol agent; said agent should be authorized to use equal or greater force at the officer's discretion------up and including firearms.

Face it: a pebble flung from a slingshot is a missile. Witness David taking out Goliath of Bible fame.
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Don't you think we'd be met with such force if we were invading Mexico (or any other country for that matter)illegally by the millons? It's a friggin joke when you think about it. Imagine us invading Mexico insisting that everything be in English and Spanish. Stealing Mexican citizens ID's. Taking their jobs and using their schools and hospitals but not paying for it then protesting in their streets for "our rights." Unbelievable!
There ya go, Critter . . . thinking LOGICALLY again!
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:11 PM
 
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They better not defend themselves lest they end up on the receiving end of a ten year prison sentence.

I wouldn't be a Border Patrol agent for a six-figure salary. They have a thankless job and they work for a government that ties their hands, won't allow them to defend themselves, bends over for the Mexican government, and who will side with criminals against them when push comes to shove.
So sad and yet so true Kele. If I had it my way, however, I would trade fire with those criminals tit for tat using heavy artilleryÖ
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:52 PM
 
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This is one thread I really had to look into before I could figure it out. I wondered if the agents were being attacked by illegal aliens, or attacked by their department. They run the risk of both, in the daily course of their duties. Offhand I would guess the attacks by frustrated illegals are more frequent, but the attacks by their own government are far more devastating and demoralizing to these agents.
I have said before in these threads that the Mexican Government, Drug Traffickers, and perhaps terrorist have plenty to lose financially or psychologically, especially when Immigration and strict border enforcement is implemented to its fullest.

E.g.,

1. Mexico could lose millions of dollars in remittance from there nationals who are or may be here illegally.
2. Drug cartels could lose millions in potential drug profits.
3. Terrorist could be denied chances or ways to attack the country.

By throwing a few millions here and there to bribe Judges, Government Officials, Politicians and some Law Enforcement Officers, they really donít lose much compared to the rewards they get or may potentially get in return.
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Old 12-21-2007, 09:32 AM
 
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I have said before in these threads that the Mexican Government, Drug Traffickers, and perhaps terrorist have plenty to lose financially or psychologically, especially when Immigration and strict border enforcement is implemented to its fullest.

E.g.,

1. Mexico could lose millions of dollars in remittance from there nationals who are or may be here illegally.
2. Drug cartels could lose millions in potential drug profits.
3. Terrorist could be denied chances or ways to attack the country.

By throwing a few millions here and there to bribe Judges, Government Officials, Politicians and some Law Enforcement Officers, they really donít lose much compared to the rewards they get or may potentially get in return.
This is why I get disgusted when hearing talk of "maybe we can get BOTH nations (US and Mexico) on track and attack the illegal immigration problem together". Sounds nice, but in reality, there is only ONE party being damaged by illegal immigration--- Americans of low-to-medium income. Meanwhile, there are MANY parties who have a huge interest in continuing with illegal immigration, including the rich and powerful of BOTH nations. Why on EARTH would Mexico want to "fight" the problem? It's hugely rewarding to them in many ways.

It's like hoping that the New Jersey State Police can join together with the Mafia to "stamp out organized crime"....
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Old 12-21-2007, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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I have said before in these threads that the Mexican Government, Drug Traffickers, and perhaps terrorist have plenty to lose financially or psychologically, especially when Immigration and strict border enforcement is implemented to its fullest.

E.g.,

1. Mexico could lose millions of dollars in remittance from there nationals who are or may be here illegally.
2. Drug cartels could lose millions in potential drug profits.
3. Terrorist could be denied chances or ways to attack the country.

By throwing a few millions here and there to bribe Judges, Government Officials, Politicians and some Law Enforcement Officers, they really donít lose much compared to the rewards they get or may potentially get in return.
Right on, Swordfish . . . especially for the Mexican Government.

The Leaders of Mexico not only encourage but they actually subsidize and suport the illegals.
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Old 12-21-2007, 11:41 AM
 
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Right on, Swordfish . . . especially for the Mexican Government.

The Leaders of Mexico not only encourage but they actually subsidize and suport the illegals.
And that's just the "official" leaders who aren't really all that much in control of Mexico. Many parts of Mexico are being ruled by "other" leaders who very much want the border open so they have no problem getting their shipments and distributers of their products over the border with no hassle. The "official" leaders are weak and do little to contradict the "other" leaders but they also like their mordidas.

But -- Calderon couldn't stop these guys even if he wanted to and it's doubtful he wants to.
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