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Old 12-22-2007, 07:54 PM
 
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But -- Calderon couldn't stop these guys even if he wanted to and it's doubtful he wants to.
If Felipe de Jesus Calderon Hinojosa does not watch out Mexico may lose control of itís northern frontier regions. And its not like it isnít happening already! We already see the powers and influences the drug barons, contraband gangs, and human traffickers posses in every day life in the area. There is also talk of a State or some States in the region that may contemplate or perhaps secede from the Mexican Union soon.

A situation like this reminds me of the similar situation General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna faced. Ironically a saga like that also took place in territories that were considered northern Mexico then, and this resulted to a lose of huge swaths of northern Mexican Territory.
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Old 12-22-2007, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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If Felipe de Jesus Calderon Hinojosa does not watch out Mexico may lose control of itís northern frontier regions. And its not like it isnít happening already! We already see the powers and influences the drug barons, contraband gangs, and human traffickers posses in every day life in the area. There is also talk of a State or some States in the region that may contemplate or perhaps secede from the Mexican Union soon.

A situation like this reminds me of the similar situation General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna faced. Ironically a saga like that also took place in territories that were considered northern Mexico then, and this resulted to a lose of huge swaths of northern Mexican Territory.
No joke there: word has it that Nuevo Leon in particular is uber pissed at subsidizing Chiapas, etc. And; apparently, NL has been sniffing @ the thought of secession and petitioning to join the USA.
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:07 PM
 
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NL has been sniffing @ the thought of secession and petitioning to join the USA.
Talk about a nightmare. That would be the very last thing we need.
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Old 12-23-2007, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Talk about a nightmare. That would be the very last thing we need.
Maybe not; Nuevo Leon is quite affluent by Mexican standards, it is not that far behind states like Mississippi.
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Old 12-23-2007, 12:42 PM
 
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Maybe not; Nuevo Leon is quite affluent by Mexican standards, it is not that far behind states like Mississippi.
It would simply be a huge open border pipeline into the US. Everyone in Mexico would all the sudden claim to be residents of Nuevo Leon, and by extension, US citizens.
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Old 12-23-2007, 12:57 PM
 
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It would simply be a huge open border pipeline into the US. Everyone in Mexico would all the sudden claim to be residents of Nuevo Leon, and by extension, US citizens.
You got that right. If anyone is even thinking of that then we need to just take Mexico as a whole and all its resources and maybe educate them so they might have some idea what they talk about.
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Old 12-24-2007, 11:35 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Letter to the Editor of San Diego Union Tribune Newspaper
Posted by Michael J. Fisher - United States Border Patrol on Saturday December 22, 2007 at 10:42 pm MST

Chief Fisher's Letter to the Editor of San Diego
Union Tribune Newspaper

The deliberate, unmitigated violence against my agents is going to stop." With these few words, I directed my command staff to find a way to make this directive become reality and to establish a new way of doing business. Today, we stand resolute and committed to this objective.

Many of you may be aware of our operational deployments along the border with Mexico as the increase of violence against Border Patrol Agents continues at unprecedented levels. Last year, one out of every four assaults against agents along the 2,000 miles of border with Mexico occurred in San Diego . Not only is this trend continuing, but it is dramatically increasing; since October 2007 we have recorded over 100 assaults thus far. Nearly twice a day, the men and women of the San Diego Sector Border Patrol, who have unselfishly taken an oath to protect this great Nation, are subjected to violent assaults from criminals operating in Mexico .

These assaults include smugglers throwing large rocks at the agents (at times after the rocks have been wrapped in cloth, doused in kerosene and lit on fire), launching glass bottles, large pieces of wood, steel ball bearings fired from sling shots, to name a few. To those who would argue that this violence is perpetrated by juvenile delinquents and that we should expect this as a "cost of doing business", I offer the following: criminal organizations (alien smugglers and drug smugglers) are hiring known criminals to cross into the United States illegally, create a diversion, and lure our agents into an ambush. When our agents respond, the criminals use military style tactics and "triangulate" their offensive, pinning down the agents in a violent assault. While the agents seek cover, the smugglers move people and contraband over the fence into our neighborhoods.

In response to this criminal activity, I have deployed the Special Response Team to these dangerous border areas. Border Patrol Agents are authorized to deploy less-lethal munitions as necessary to protect and defend themselves and other agents against life-threatening assaults being perpetrated by criminals in Mexico . We will continue to use reasonable force in self-defense as necessary to protect our front-line agents from imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm.

My primary responsibility as the Chief Patrol Agent in San Diego is to the border security mission and to ensure, to the extent that I can within the law and consistent with agency policy, a safe and secure border for our men and women. To do less would be at the very least irresponsible and at worst, malfeasance. We will not relinquish ground under operational control nor will we retreat from our front-line deployments; the threat is real, our border security mission critical, and failure is clearly not an option.

Michael J. Fisher
Chief Patrol Agent
United States Border Patrol
San Diego Sector

http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=55372
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Old 12-24-2007, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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It does. I suggest the Border Patrol start using one of these:


Put these baby dolls in guard towers every 100 yards apart all along the border.
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Old 12-24-2007, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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As I have stated in the past: if any individual hurls a missile (rocks definitely qualify) at a Border Patrol agent on US soil, that agent should be authorized to use any level of force as deemed by said agent up and including firearms.
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Old 12-24-2007, 02:44 PM
 
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Excellent find Kele! Can anyone really read this letter by Chief Fisher and say we haven't been invaded?

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When our agents respond, the criminals use military style tactics and "triangulate"
We need our military on the border.
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