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Old 07-18-2014, 03:05 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It doesn't say anything about that 2008 law.

The 2008 law is not about asylum people; it's about abduction of children from their home country. None of these children have been abducted, especially those that got reunited with their illegal parents here in the US.

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In a trafficking situation, the child is a victim and an involuntary commodity being moved across the border for an illegal purpose such as servitude or prostitution. But a leaked Immigration and Customs Enforcement intelligence report confirms that most of the children who arrive unaccompanied are smuggled, not trafficked: “Unaccompanied children are typically smuggled to the United States by human smuggling networks through established routes . . . the fees for which are most likely paid for by [their] family members residing in the United States.” The smuggling is a deplorable scenario, but it is not the same thing as trafficking.

The same ICE report reveals that about 43 percent of the unaccompanied minors are reunited with a parent soon after arriving in the United States.
Not only that, it's starting to come out now that many of the minors aren't really "unaccompanied."
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"The “unaccompanied minors” who walked out of the brush on the banks of the Rio Grande and turned themselves into Border Patrol officers last month were not, technically, unaccompanied. In the group of 15 people that we watched that night, about half of them appeared to be adults, including men and a woman carrying a baby, in addition to several children.

It’s the most potent image in the current immigration crisis: Tens of thousands of Central American children on a dangerous solo exodus out of their countries. But from what I’ve seen reporting on this issue from the U.S. border and in Honduras, it is also somewhat misleading.

The term “Unaccompanied Alien Children,” or UACs, as used by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, refers to people up to age 17 who are traveling without a parent or legal guardian. It does not mean they are traveling alone.

In migrant shelters in Mexico and Honduras, talking to both children and adults who are making these journeys, or have been deported after failing to reach the United States, the most common scenario seems to be children who are traveling in groups that include adult relatives, neighbors, smugglers or others. Often the children migrating already have one or more parents living in the United States, and they are considered “unaccompanied,” even if traveling with other adult relatives."
Children trying to sneak into the U.S. aren’t always alone - The Washington Post

Which is total BS because how many of us as kids travelled with grandparents or aunts, uncles, and cousins during summer vacations from school? How many American citizen kids even do that now? We/they were never considered "unaccompanied."
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Old 07-18-2014, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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Those folks who came here and paid their fees and filled out all the paperwork and got in line should file a class-action lawsuit against the United States.
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Old 07-18-2014, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Those folks who came here and paid their fees and filled out all the paperwork and got in line should file a class-action lawsuit against the United States.
Or against any politician that supports illegal immigration.
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Old 07-18-2014, 04:57 PM
 
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That number should be no higher than 5%, and even that is stretching it.

The only "tough statement" that's being sent to Central America is that our government, starting with the idiot at the top, does not care about the enforcement of immigration law.
From NBC News....

"Most Americans want to accelerate handling of the influx of children at the border. A Pew Research Center survey found over half (53 percent) favor expediting the legal process, even if it means deporting those may end up qualifying for refugee status.
The poll also found a decline in the number of Americans who support allowing immigrants in the country illegally who fit certain requirements to be allowed to stay. The recent poll found 68 percent agreed — a 5 percent decline since February."

Poll: Americans Favor Speeding Up Handling of Border Crisis - NBC News

Maybe more people are turning against the illegal "children" invading the US.
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:32 PM
 
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Bush's law has to do with human trafficking.

These kids are seeking asylum from violence.

Bush's law is being blamed for this surge.
None of kids have said they were kidnapped so how can anyone say this is due to the 2008 law on human trafficking of children ?

The 2008 law deals with children abducted from their homes and brought to the US against their will.
True, and when I read the Wilberforce act, there was a process that included going after the trafficker. That's what I couldn't figure out, no way all those kids were trafficked. So, these kids aren't even trying to claim that anyway (sigh). And, the court is not following the law? Unless, is there another act concerning non sex trafficked yet abused kids from central America? No. So, we have a judge problem then?
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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Wasn't that set up under the Bush administration to deal with only select children? Not blaming Bush but it seems as if the law was either written badly or it is not being applied correctly.
You could be right, I dunno. I read it and thought it was pretty straight forward. I think the problem now is the time involved before and between the court sessions. That was meant to be for gathering evidence, witnesses and so on though. But, I understood it to mean that the child claimed sex trafficking to begin with.
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They are not claiming they are a victim of trafficking.
They are seeking asylum due to violence in their country.
Bush's 2008 law has nothing to do with them seeking asylum.
Totally separate process.

Obama is saying they cannot send them back right away due to the Bush law on trafficking.
But they are not victims of trafficking.
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Old 07-19-2014, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Richmond,VA
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Look folks, the majority of our nation's new little and grown-up children are here stay. Obama ain't gonna send them home. They came to here to live the rest of their lives off the American taxpayer, and vote the Democratic ticket. And they'll be standing in front of the line - ahead of legal Americans - at the emergency rooms and doctor offices. So get over it and move on to the next upcoming scandal, just around the corner.

Remember now, HOPE & CHANGE!
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