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Old 07-19-2014, 06:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by MJJersey View Post
It's too late for a fence, it may have worked 20 years ago but now we would just be fencing people in. What we should have done is placed a tripod gun with a motion sensor at the border spread out by range. If we did that, we would not have this problem today.
I already provided proof that the double wall is very effective. It's to keep people out not to keep people in. That's the premise of all physical barriers.

 
Old 07-19-2014, 06:18 AM
 
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Stop the gravy train and stop any illegal from working in our Country and we will not need a fence. Nobody should get a free ride unless they paid into the system and earned that right. That is especially true for people illegally entering our Country. There is no way we could afford to support the almost seven billion that inhabit the rest of our globe. Perhaps they could learn to support themselves if they knew there was no aid coming? It is one thing to offer help in the case of a natural disaster; it is another thing to assume all responsibility for other's needs. It is no wonder that people are flocking to our border!

We should force anybody, caught giving a job to any illegal, to pay the cost of deportation and fines. That should stop major invasions.

Any illegal that commits, even the smallest crime, should be instantly deported. They have already committed a major crime breaking into our Country.
I agree that removing the incentives to be able to work here, gain benefits, etc. is a detterant to more illegal immigration. However, criminals and terrorists don't care about that. They aren't here to work therefore a good physical barrier is necessary. Some illegal aliens will always be able to get a job working under the table therefore a good physical barrier is necessary to stop them from coming here also.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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Stop the gravy train and stop any illegal from working in our Country and we will not need a fence. Nobody should get a free ride unless they paid into the system and earned that right. That is especially true for people illegally entering our Country. There is no way we could afford to support the almost seven billion that inhabit the rest of our globe. Perhaps they could learn to support themselves if they knew there was no aid coming? It is one thing to offer help in the case of a natural disaster; it is another thing to assume all responsibility for other's needs. It is no wonder that people are flocking to our border!

We should force anybody, caught giving a job to any illegal, to pay the cost of deportation and fines. That should stop major invasions.

Any illegal that commits, even the smallest crime, should be instantly deported. They have already committed a major crime breaking into our Country.
Agreed.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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I agree that removing the incentives to be able to work here, gain benefits, etc. is a detterant to more illegal immigration. However, criminals and terrorists don't care about that. They aren't here to work therefore a good physical barrier is necessary. Some illegal aliens will always be able to get a job working under the table therefore a good physical barrier is necessary to stop them from coming here also.
Removing the 'lure' of the free ride will cut the numbers down. Fences will not work unless there is an accompanying threat of death or serious bodily harm. Right now our politicians are using humanitarian issues as their justification for turning a blind eye to this invasion. Of course we all know that is not there true reasons.

You have to have long term 'doable' plans to turn back the tide. First; stop the mass invasion - then turn our attention on the criminals and drug lords. If there are no jobs or financial rewards; many will return to their perspective native countries. The current 'lures' will keep the waves coming - regardless of the obstacles.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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A good fence will funnel them to controllable gates and processing centers, if they are thirsty and want to apply for visas. It will also be a symbol of our new resolve.

Of course we still have airports and seaports and a northern border, but until we build that fence, we can't expect the rest of the world to think we care.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 02:11 PM
 
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A good fence will funnel them to controllable gates and processing centers, if they are thirsty and want to apply for visas. It will also be a symbol of our new resolve.

Of course we still have airports and seaports and a northern border, but until we build that fence, we can't expect the rest of the world to think we care.
Canada ain't the problem because very few Canadians want to live in the US unless trying to get away from the cold and snow. Hell; IMHO Canada has more problem with illegal aliens from the US than the other way around.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 02:25 PM
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The northern border has me more concerned than the southern border. The northern section is where we're likely to see terrorist threats enter into the country. The southern border we see people looking for work, drug smugglers, gun runners and other not so nice peeps. The northern border, especially near me, is sparsely populated and quite open. Great to slip in undetected.

So do we build a fence up north too?
 
Old 07-19-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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Removing the 'lure' of the free ride will cut the numbers down. Fences will not work unless there is an accompanying threat of death or serious bodily harm. Right now our politicians are using humanitarian issues as their justification for turning a blind eye to this invasion. Of course we all know that is not there true reasons.

You have to have long term 'doable' plans to turn back the tide. First; stop the mass invasion - then turn our attention on the criminals and drug lords. If there are no jobs or financial rewards; many will return to their perspective native countries. The current 'lures' will keep the waves coming - regardless of the obstacles.
A good physical barrier would make life a lot easier for our Border Patrol agents and it would deter illegal immigration. I am all for removing the incentives for those seeking work and other benefits but as I said it won't deter criminals and terrorists thus the wall.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 03:50 PM
 
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The northern border has me more concerned than the southern border. The northern section is where we're likely to see terrorist threats enter into the country. The southern border we see people looking for work, drug smugglers, gun runners and other not so nice peeps. The northern border, especially near me, is sparsely populated and quite open. Great to slip in undetected.

So do we build a fence up north too?
According to the FBI Director OTM's are entering through our southern border right along with those seeking work and other benefits. They are from known terrorist countries and they have disappeared into our country. I have heard of no such thing occurring on our northern border.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Pa
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According to the FBI Director OTM's are entering through our southern border right along with those seeking work and other benefits. They are from known terrorist countries and they have disappeared into our country. I have heard of no such thing occurring on our northern border.
Nor have I. But we need to tackle one problem at a time. We can work with Canada, it's Mexico that is the problem.
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