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Old 12-22-2007, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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Most of the people who are trying to 'make the most hay' off the issues might be Republicans, but it's a stretch to say most of the people trying to fix the various problems are Republicans...

Close examination of roll call votes doesn't support that contention, ......often, as is demonstrated here, it's the Republicans who blocked an attempt to 'fix' a problem....

There are plenty of well-intentioned Democrats working to fix the various problems with reforming our immigration policies, as well as some well intentioned Republicans.

I'm not sure you can say 'most' on either side have much interest either way.

There's a difference between Democrats and Republicans that should be apparent to anyone who pays even a little bit of attention, and that is that Republicans are most apt to take a very vocal united party-line stance on an issue whether they agree or not, and ultimately, whether they end up voting that party line or not, they still want to appear to be following the party line, so their rhetoric is often not matched by their actions.

On the other hand, the Democrats are not so inclined to all voice the same party line and consequently, they don't have quite so much conflict to address if they don't vote that party line. They hadn't necessarily ever said they'd toe the line in the first place, so the level of real or imagined hypocrisy in their rhetoric isn't really equally comparable.


Are there good ones and bad ones on both sides of the aisle? Sure there are, but on neither side, do those voices necessarily get much exposure in the press or the media.

Do we address that in many dialogues? ...not very often, .....most of the time people discussing the issues are spouting generalizations, and most of the time people tend not to allow for acknowledgement that generalizations are inherently erroneous and often purposely misleading.
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That is a very subjective opinion. IMO, both the Republicans and Democrats are to blame for allowing this problem to escalate to the level that it has. However, my original statement stands; the Republicans have historically been more against illegal immigration than the Democrats. However, they have let me down more than the Democrats because they "were" my party but that is no longer - overall, they tend to represent big business more than anything else, while the Democrats seek power by handing out "freebies" to the poor and minorities in hopes of buying votes that way. They are two extreme versions of each other; both corrupt to the core.
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Old 12-22-2007, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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That is a very subjective opinion. IMO, both the Republicans and Democrats are to blame for allowing this problem to escalate to the level that it has. However, my original statement stands; the Republicans have historically been more against illegal immigration than the Democrats. However, they have let me down more than the Democrats because they "were" my party but that is no longer - overall, they tend to represent big business more than anything else, while the Democrats seek power by handing out "freebies" to the poor and minorities in hopes of buying votes that way. They are two extreme versions of each other; both corrupt to the core.
More and more; one of the parties may wind up splitting apart.

Myself; I am a 'Republican', but on the moderate wing-------very close ideologically to a mainstream Democrat.

I see little difference between a Bleeding Heart or a Neo-con-------both would sell out the little guy if it suited their purposes.
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Old 12-22-2007, 11:50 PM
 
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More and more; one of the parties may wind up splitting apart.

Myself; I am a 'Republican', but on the moderate wing-------very close ideologically to a mainstream Democrat.

I see little difference between a Bleeding Heart or a Neo-con-------both would sell out the little guy if it suited their purposes.
I would imagine that presents a bit of a quandary to you then, because moderate Republicans and mainstream Democrats both sell out the little guy regularly.
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