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Old 07-24-2014, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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You do realize you're saluting a guy who's guilty of the very things you're railing against, right? Perry's been in politics for 30 years, is dumb as a post, and only did this to get a bump for his trip to Iowa next month. This is nothing more than a costly publicity stunt. The guard members being called up have ZERO law enforcement responsibility. They're there to "look tough" and escort illegals to the border patrol agents. All for the low, low price of $144 million a year.
I don't disagree with what you are saying about Perry. That said, what he is accomplishing by all this is to put the problem on center stage and hopefully forcing our government to do something about the issue once and for all.. It may well be a stunt, but the stunts very existence hopefully will create enough stir in Washington for them to take notice and make a move. The status quo certainly isn't cutting it.
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Old 07-24-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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Angry won't give 2 cents for the lot of 'em

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You do realize you're saluting a guy who's guilty of the very things you're railing against, right? Perry's been in politics for 30 years, is dumb as a post, and only did this to get a bump for his trip to Iowa next month. This is nothing more than a costly publicity stunt. The guard members being called up have ZERO law enforcement responsibility. They're there to "look tough" and escort illegals to the border patrol agents. All for the low, low price of $144 million a year.
As I said before, I support what he's doing for Texas, the US, and at the border NOW.

I don't give my support lightly...certainly, if this is where his action ends, I'll be the first to call him out on it. (again, I wish there was an emoticon for a spanking!!!)

I'd applaud and support "O" the same way, if only he stepped up!!!

I don't care WHO the person is, as I've said before...just as long as he's/she's a catalyst to secure the border, ship the recent illegals back, start to round up the 11 ++ million others, and totally revamp our legal immigration system!!!

Never said anything else about Perry, regarding anything else...have I?

Did I say anything as far as you're concerned, to indicate otherwise? I have my own personal (mostly negative) opinions about Perry - but didn't exclaim those, either. Do I need to do so, in your opinion, to laud someone doing the "right thing"?

Is support for a politician in action of currently doing what I believe is right necessarily mitigated by the stupid, overtly political, narcissistic, biased, (or whatever negative term you wish to use...) things he/she did in the past?

It seems everyone's too concerned with so-and-so's past laurels (or not), vs. what they're doing now.

I agree, certainly, that the TOTAL past of a candidate matters when election time comes around.

But, for the sake of the border crisis, Texas, and the future of our country, I'll support and stand behind ANYONE who will work to get this job done. Anything else is an entirely different ballgame...

Is that clear enough?
One more thing...as an independent, I wouldn't give you 2 cents for a majority of those in any level of our government right now. I think we need a major overhaul...
thanks for listening...

Dandiday
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Old 07-24-2014, 11:25 AM
 
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Default what freightshaker said!

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I don't disagree with what you are saying about Perry. That said, what he is accomplishing by all this is to put the problem on center stage and hopefully forcing our government to do something about the issue once and for all.. It may well be a stunt, but the stunts very existence hopefully will create enough stir in Washington for them to take notice and make a move. The status quo certainly isn't cutting it.

....what freightshaker said!!!

He posted as I was typing. Well said, and I agree!
thanks!
Dandiday
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Old 07-24-2014, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Perry... illegals responsible for 3,000 homicides, 8,000 sexual assualts since 2008.

203,000 have been booked in the jail system.

ENOUGH.

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Old 07-24-2014, 12:04 PM
 
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I don't see any reports of the National Guard there yet - what's he waiting for??

If this is not just a political stunt, why aren't they there yet?
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Old 07-24-2014, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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Perry... illegals responsible for 3,000 homicides, 8,000 sexual assualts since 2008.

203,000 have been booked in the jail system.

ENOUGH.

And Perry's been governor since 2000. Why didn't he do this a decade ago if he was so concerned about it? Why does he slam Obama for giving illegals entitlements when HE DID, TOO? Perry's a hypocrite, plain and simple, and unfortunately there are a ton of suckers buying into this stupid stunt.

If this bumbling moron somehow ends up in the Oval Office, it's a sign of the end of this great nation. If you lobotomize Bush, you get Perry.
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Old 07-24-2014, 01:32 PM
 
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Default imagine "O" in a kilt....

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I don't see any reports of the National Guard there yet - what's he waiting for??

If this is not just a political stunt, why aren't they there yet?
Agreed. He could also come up with the strategic fencing and cameras, etc. that he was talking about RIGHT NOW!!!

Talk is cheap!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said in my earlier post...I'll support and laud the CURRENT ACTION. (This does NOT include "cheap talk" btw!!!)

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And Perry's been governor since 2000. Why didn't he do this a decade ago if he was so concerned about it? Why does he slam Obama for giving illegals entitlements when HE DID, TOO? Perry's a hypocrite, plain and simple, and unfortunately there are a ton of suckers buying into this stupid stunt.

If this bumbling moron somehow ends up in the Oval Office, it's a sign of the end of this great nation. If you lobotomize Bush, you get Perry.
Weeeellllll, hmmmmm, the "permissos" and current crisis at the border started, hmm...a few months ago, with most over the past 2 months?!!

But yes, absolutely!!! You and I do agree that he's screwed up on so many other things with regard to the illegals, which otherwise should have been addressed. Tuition for illegals makes my blood boil!!!

Also, tell me, BS73, which politician do YOU know of, who's absolutely and positively stellar, always followed through with their promises, never flip-flopped, etc? Or one that didn't have some measure of narcissistic qualities in their makeup?
Such a creature doesn't exist... IF you DO know of one, please, by all means, tell us about that wondrous individual!!!

Oh, and Mr. BS73, regarding your bumbling moron description...let's add just a wee bit more to that:
.... if you hand him a golf club and a mirror, plus an endless supply of vacations, you get our own Mr."O"!!!!

Whoops...forgot the sunglasses!!!

"O" my!!! Toto, we aren't in Kansas anymore!!!!!

---Dandiday
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Old 07-24-2014, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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Agreed. He could also come up with the strategic fencing and cameras, etc. that he was talking about RIGHT NOW!!!

Talk is cheap!!!!!!!!!!!! As I said in my earlier post...I'll support and laud the CURRENT ACTION. (This does NOT include "cheap talk" btw!!!)



Weeeellllll, hmmmmm, the "permissos" and current crisis at the border started, hmm...a few months ago, with most over the past 2 months?!!

But yes, absolutely!!! You and I do agree that he's screwed up on so many other things with regard to the illegals, which otherwise should have been addressed. Tuition for illegals makes my blood boil!!!

Also, tell me, BS73, which politician do YOU know of, who's absolutely and positively stellar, always followed through with their promises, never flip-flopped, etc? Or one that didn't have some measure of narcissistic qualities in their makeup?
Such a creature doesn't exist... IF you DO know of one, please, by all means, tell us about that wondrous individual!!!

Oh, and Mr. BS73, regarding your bumbling moron description...let's add just a wee bit more to that:
.... if you hand him a golf club and a mirror, plus an endless supply of vacations, you get our own Mr."O"!!!!

Whoops...forgot the sunglasses!!!

"O" my!!! Toto, we aren't in Kansas anymore!!!!!

---Dandiday
I didn't vote for Obama in 2012, but thanks for trying to play the binary politics game with me. The troops that Perry is wasting taxpayer dollars on have NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to detain or arrest ANYBODY. They are there to escort illegals to Border Patrol agents or sheriffs deupties and perform humanitarian duties that would be better handled by a VOLUNTEER organization like the RED CROSS.

The problem is there are too many idiots in this country with the attention-span of a gnat and the cognitive reasoning ability of an 18-month old. They see "Perry sending troops to border" and they scream YEAH, YOU GO RICK without even realizing what he's done is jack and SQUAT. If you think troops armed with unloaded rifles will stem the tide of illegals coming here, you're sorely misguided.

For the record, I'm with you on illegal immigration. That being said, if you're ok with a token act that does nothing but looks good on paper, more power to ya, but I prefer solving illegal immigration with substantive legal action.
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Old 07-24-2014, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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I didn't vote for Obama in 2012, but thanks for trying to play the binary politics game with me. The troops that Perry is wasting taxpayer dollars on have NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to detain or arrest ANYBODY. They are there to escort illegals to Border Patrol agents or sheriffs deupties and perform humanitarian duties that would be better handled by a VOLUNTEER organization like the RED CROSS.

The problem is there are too many idiots in this country with the attention-span of a gnat and the cognitive reasoning ability of an 18-month old. They see "Perry sending troops to border" and they scream YEAH, YOU GO RICK without even realizing what he's done is jack and SQUAT. If you think troops armed with unloaded rifles will stem the tide of illegals coming here, you're sorely misguided.

For the record, I'm with you on illegal immigration. That being said, if you're ok with a token act that does nothing but looks good on paper, more power to ya, but I prefer solving illegal immigration with substantive legal action.
The problem is and has been for decades however, that "substantive legal action" has never been implemented. It is and has been the proverbial can kicked down the road. What Perry is doing is primarily symbolic in nature and you are right in that their powers are and will be extremely limited. The Red Cross is not financially or physically able to perform a task of this magnitude. That said, what Perry is doing is to cast a spotlight on the issue and basically put the ball in the court of the administration and the congress to act. I am sure there are political motivations as well, but if this gambit is successful, more power to him.
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Old 07-24-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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Default Well, it's a start!

OK, Bluescreen, what do you propose as a logical and quick way to approach this problem? yes, the NG is mostly a symbolic step...but at least the presence of these people might give pause to those trying to cross. At the very least, we need "bodies" there to show that the border is revving up with more to protect it and prevent the undesirable criminal adult element from crossing.

I've read that many of the agents have to actually split themselves up, with some remaining miles from the border. They affirmed that the border is "very porous" right now, with long areas of the border left wide open. So, having the NG come (as a start) will at least increase their numbers.

The little kids may still just come over, and turn themselves in anyway, and regardless.

However, the presence of "human bodies" as in the NG, may thwart gang members, cartels, and "OTM" (ie- illegals possibly from terrorist-producing countries) might see the presence of the NG and think twice about confronting them.

Also, the National Guard DOES have the authority, as well as the ability, to used their firearms when confronted by armed attacks. It's been reported, and well-known that the cartels continue to fire upon the border patrols. Additionally, the patrol reports that many of the types of attacks on them come from particular guns and tactics used by the Mexican army!!!

"The Border Patrol found itself under fire on Friday night from what they think were.50-caliber weapons, not exactly light arms...Sources said they believe the gunfire came from members of Mexican drug cartels, which include former military members trained in shooting that type of weaponry.
"That would be a problem that the National Guard could address..."

So, the NG DOES have fire-power available to them!!!

This was echoed by the article entitled: Perry to deploy 1000 National Guard troops to the border

from the link: Perry to deploy 1000 National Guard troops to the border Hot Air

which said:
"How much impact will 1,000 troops have? Certainly it will increase the intimidation factor, providing perhaps more of a deterrent than currently in play in this crisis. Primarily, Perry wants to augment Border Patrol efforts to stop human and other smuggling, as well as make a statement about the extent of the problems Texans face in the border areas."

So, it IS a start, however small. I wish Perry (or anyone else) will hurry up, and get the job done!!!

---Dandiday
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