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Old 12-20-2007, 01:15 PM
 
Location: The Rock!
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Isn't that the truth. Who's interest are they looking out for? It sure isn't the American citizens. They should all be recalled.
Sometimes I wonder if we don't need some form of popular, "no confidence" vote and be able to do a wholesale government change.

Before someone jumps on this I'm not serious because I understand the potential ramifications, yada yada yada... pure hypothetical thinking..
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Old 12-20-2007, 02:58 PM
 
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Isn't that the truth. Who's interest are they looking out for? It sure isn't the American citizens. They should all be recalled.
In truth, the Democratically controlled Congress approved budgeting for an additional 700 miles of fence.

Congress approved $1.2 billion to begin construction of the 700 new miles of fencing, and much more money will be needed.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers estimates that the two-layered fence could cost $1.2 million to $1.3 million per mile to build, not including land acquisition and maintenance.

When maintenance was figured in, the cost estimate jumped to $16.4 million to $70 million per mile over the next 25 years, the report said.

Using the lowest estimate, that means the additional 700 miles of fence will cost at least 11.5 billion dollars.


11.5 billion dollars is quite a bit of money.

What do we need still, a couple of thousand miles more of fencing?

That only puts the cost up around, what, at the lowest estimate given, oh, at least about 35 billion dollars.

And if you use the mid range estimate, the cost will be only 120 billion or so.

Of course if it ends up costing what the higher estimates say, the cost will be only 1.4 trillion dollars.

And the 1.4 trillion dollars doesn't include buying the land under the fence.

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Old 12-20-2007, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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Throw a rock into a stream and you donít stop the stream. The water moves around the rock. Throw in another rock and the water will move aound the rock. Keep throwing rocks and the water will keep finding a way around the rock. All you can say is that you stopped the water in that particular spot but close your eyes to the rest of the water moving around it.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Throw a rock into a stream and you donít stop the stream. The water moves around the rock. Throw in another rock and the water will move aound the rock. Keep throwing rocks and the water will keep finding a way around the rock. All you can say is that you stopped the water in that particular spot but close your eyes to the rest of the water moving around it.
Build a dam, you stop the flow of water
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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Build a dam, you stop the flow of water
yes but dams are not piecemealed here and there. Unless you do it all in one shot, youíre always going to get water coming in.

My point is if youíre going to do it, do it all, not a little here and a little there.
It solves nothing and waste money and effort.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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yes but dams are not piecemealed here and there. Unless you do it all in one shot, youíre always going to get water coming in.

My point is if youíre going to do it, do it all, not a little here and a little there.
It solves nothing and waste money and effort.
It is not possible to build 2000 miles of fence all at the same time -

The key is, it is being built -
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Old 12-20-2007, 05:51 PM
 
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It is not possible to build 2000 miles of fence all at the same time -

The key is, it is being built -
Before you get what's being built today paid off, and add in the maintenance costs, it will have fallen down and need to be rebuilt again.

Building pieces of fence only make some people feel better, it's highly questionable if their effectiveness will prove to be worth the money, time, and effort.

Those questions don't seem to be considered or often addressed by many advocates of fencing our border.
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Before you get what's being built today paid off, and add in the maintenance costs, it will have fallen down and need to be rebuilt again.
I disagree. I have seen the fence. I have touched this fence.

It is not going anywhere for a very, very, long time
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Old 12-21-2007, 02:49 AM
 
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Sometimes I wonder if we don't need some form of popular, "no confidence" vote and be able to do a wholesale government change.
It's called impeachment, and it's not a problem for one to discuss it, propose it, or attempt to carry it off.

I agree it's long past time we impeached many in the present administration and many in Congress....

Call your Senators and Representatives.
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Old 12-21-2007, 03:04 AM
 
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I disagree. I have seen the fence. I have touched this fence.

It is not going anywhere for a very, very, long time
It might be there, but the holes cut into it and the tunnels under it won't make it effective.

Even now the Customs and Immigration reports show that the fences are being breached and damaged more and more.

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Border Patrol agent Shawn Moran acknowledges the barrier has cut the flow of illegal traffic into the USA dramatically, but he also suggests Hunter hasn't seen his fence lately. In spots along the approximately 75 miles of fence from California to Texas, illegal immigrants and drug runners have gashed the barrier repeatedly, often with saws to make holes big enough to squeeze people through.

Keeping the fence repaired has become a constant battle for U.S. Border Patrol and National Guard engineering units, whose work has added an increasingly expensive layer to the cat-and-mouse game between U.S. law enforcement and illegal immigrants. The rising annual maintenance costs — projected to reach $8.3 million a mile by 2016 for more than 62 miles of steel fencing examined by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) — have become a focal point for critics who say the plan to build another 700 miles of fencing will cost too much and won't be effective as supporters claim.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...er-fence_N.htm

That's half a billion in only the next eight years for only the first 62 miles of fence.

Add another almost 6 billion dollars for the next 700 miles for the same 8 years,

and you still have, what, a couple of thousand miles to go?

And that's just maintenance costs, for only 8 years, and you say it'll be there for a long, long time?

Sure, we got the money to do this, no problem right? ......how much more to build it and buy the land?

Figured out that total yet? Figured out where the money is coming from? Who pays?
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Has anyone stopped and thought about who is getting all these billions?

The people getting all those billions sure do want everyone to support more fence.

There's some never-ending corporate welfare.......
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