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Old 12-20-2007, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Between the Colorado River and a desolate rock hill to the east are 48 miles of various types of barriers dividing the United States and Mexico, almost all of them new.

While other parts of the southwestern border remain porous, this small part of Arizona has become an example in the federal government's effort to stop illegal immigration and other traffic.

In the Border Patrol's Yuma Sector, arrests of illegal immigrants have dropped from 119,000 in 2006 to 38,000 in the fiscal year that ended in September, and the trend continues downward.

Though the various barriers aren't impermeable - in some stretches, they block only vehicles, and some rocky hills aren't covered at all - they seem to be working.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...realfence.html (broken link)
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:47 AM
 
Location: The Rock!
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Have arrests been going up in other areas? In theory, if this drop is due to the fence deterring people from crossing at these locations, and if we assume total flow remains fairly constant, then arrests at other areas should increase since crossers would be funnelled toward non-fenced areas.
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Very interesting, Greatday

Looks like we all need to call Washington demanding money for the fence instead of those ridiculous pork add-ons.
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Have arrests been going up in other areas? In theory, if this drop is due to the fence deterring people from crossing at these locations, and if we assume total flow remains fairly constant, then arrests at other areas should increase since crossers would be funnelled toward non-fenced areas.
No they haven't - and that has been the really positive thing

They are working on the fence along the most porous areas - the other areas, that will get fences, are really tough travelling - for anyone. They have not seen an increase in those areas

No one is suggesting that these fences will stop 100% of the crossings - but, slow the tide they will - and that, IMO, is a very good thing
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:59 AM
 
Location: The Rock!
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No they haven't - and that has been the really positive thing

They are working on the fence along the most porous areas - the other areas, that will get fences, are really tough travelling - for anyone. They have not seen an increase in those areas

No one is suggesting that these fences will stop 100% of the crossings - but, slow the tide they will - and that, IMO, is a very good thing
Actually, I would then conclude the fence is NOT doing it's job. But I think I'm talking about apples and you're talking about oranges. What I'd like to know is have arrests increased anywhere along the border, not just in AZ. Because if the non-fenced AZ areas are perilous to cross then the reroute might be to CA or TX and that's where we might see the increase. If we can fence ENOUGH to funnel the flow to a specific location then we theoretically could halt a much higher percentage of the flow.
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Old 12-20-2007, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Great point, Greatday.

THE FENCE plus the elimination of the incentives, including the crack down on the employers of illegals, will make a huge difference.
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Old 12-20-2007, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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If we can fence ENOUGH to funnel the flow to a specific location then we theoretically could halt a much higher percentage of the flow.
I follow this issue quite a bit -

Reports for the Texas and New Mexico border areas, and the other areas along AZ border are showing a DECLINE in border crossings into the US (there are now reports of an increase of border crossing back into Mexico)

There are many factors that could impact this decline including weather but, the fence, the enhanced enforcement, the sanctions in AZ etc., seem to be having a positive impact on crossings
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Old 12-20-2007, 10:52 AM
 
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Isn't it great that the fence is working! Too bad the democrats in Congress are trying to defund it.
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Old 12-20-2007, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Isn't it great that the fence is working! Too bad the democrats in Congress are trying to defund it.
That's putting it lightly, Hawkeye.

From my perspective . . . IT IS A TRAGEDY AND TRAITOROUS!
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Old 12-20-2007, 01:01 PM
 
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Isn't it great that the fence is working! Too bad the democrats in Congress are trying to defund it.
Isn't that the truth. Who's interest are they looking out for? It sure isn't the American citizens. They should all be recalled.
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