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Old 07-30-2014, 06:01 PM
 
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This is a fundamental question in the discussion of immigration.
The democrats are counting on immigrant votes in the future.

So here is the question. Will these new and future immigrants vote for the democrats more than the republicans? Explain why.
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Old 07-30-2014, 06:19 PM
 
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Immigrants or illegal immigrants. Their is a huge difference. Sort of like shoppers and shop lifters. Huge difference, although one can argue that both shop, one activity is legal and desired the other is illegal and not desired.
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Old 07-30-2014, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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First the illegals need to become citizens. Most won't. However, their anchor babies are automatic citizens. So, that cohort will be voting Democratic in about 20 years - especially if they remain poor.
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Old 07-30-2014, 07:07 PM
 
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First the illegals need to become citizens. Most won't. However, their anchor babies are automatic citizens. So, that cohort will be voting Democratic in about 20 years - especially if they remain poor.
IMHO "anchor kids" will be going away pretty soon unless at least 1 parent is a US citizen. It went away in Ireland about 10 years back and NO other European country allows that scam. Too; most poor young people DON'T vote.
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:38 PM
 
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IMHO "anchor kids" will be going away pretty soon unless at least 1 parent is a US citizen.
Really??? When?? Gonna take a Constitutional Amendment. Unless the GOP takes over the WH in 2016, it's never happening. Sure hope you're right, though. Our govt is so f*d up, there's no chance of anyone doing anything that makes any sense.
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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Really??? When?? Gonna take a Constitutional Amendment. Unless the GOP takes over the WH in 2016, it's never happening. Sure hope you're right, though. Our govt is so f*d up, there's no chance of anyone doing anything that makes any sense.
And if the GOP takes over the White House, will they risk upsetting Latinos?
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:44 PM
 
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And if the GOP takes over the White House, will they risk upsetting Latinos?
And, then, there is that. Nope, not happening.
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:45 PM
 
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And if the GOP takes over the White House, will they risk upsetting Latinos?
Why not? If that kind of "Latino" DOESN'T like the way we roll here in the US, they can move TO LatAm, we def don't want their kind. Many US citizen Hispanic people DO want birthright stopped. Too; most US citizens are "anglo white" so your la raza Latinos don't stand a chance where voting is about. Sheesh!
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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Why not? If that kind of "Latino" DOESN'T like the way we roll here in the US, they can move TO LatAm, we def don't want their kind. Many US citizen Hispanic people DO want birthright stopped. Too; most US citizens are "anglo white" so your la raza Latinos don't stand a chance where voting is about. Sheesh!
Seriously?? So, you say they "can move TO LatAM, we def don't want their kind." Since when do "we" count anymore. "We" are not the future - "we" are the past. You can say anything you want and believe what you want, but reality and future demographics indicate otherwise. If there's going to be a change to the Constitution, it had better happen in the six years, or it will never happen.
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Old 07-30-2014, 09:13 PM
 
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Seriously?? So, you say they "can move TO LatAM, we def don't want their kind." Since when do "we" count anymore. "We" are not the future - "we" are the past. You can say anything you want and believe what you want, but reality and future demographics indicate otherwise. If there's going to be a change to the Constitution, it had better happen in the six years, or it will never happen.
Exactly. If the traditional demographics have a future, the two parties won't be the way they are today.

Even if there are Latinos and Hispanics who want a secure border and less immigration, they are the minority voice. Don't forget that immigrants also want to bring family here once they become citizen.

The crisis is actually much deeper. American citizens are no longer wanted by employers. That goes for both parties. That alone is a huge challenge. The conservative right is running away from any concern about the average joe. They want a globalist economy. The liberal left is running away from any sense of US nationalism, except big government. They link such nationalism with racism, imperialism, etc. They want a romantic society diverse to the point where Americans no longer have unity. Both sides are fishing in the pool for different things. But the reality is, despite the lefts ideology, commoners life is becoming more difficult. Despite the rights ideology, the free market is much more challenging than before globalization.

In 20 years, our demographics will be very different both in terms of ethnic make up and socioeconomic make up. We will also have a huge baby boomer retiree population and a restless and jobless young population. American kids born today are not going to be able to compete with middle class kids in China, even for jobs in the US. Then employers will be even less willing to hire Americans.

What's waiting for us is misery. It is misery.
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