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Old 12-22-2007, 08:08 AM
 
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Call off NAFTA and CAFTA, call off globalization, seal up the border, and deport the illegals in here now or at least give them time to relocate back. NO AMNESTY! Amnesty only does ONE thing, encourage illegals to find some other way into this country... tell the illegals now that there will NEVER EVER be Amnesty in this country again and you will see less illegals trying to come here as we confiscate everything they have so it is not worthwhile for them to come here illegally...
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Old 12-22-2007, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Call off NAFTA and CAFTA, call off globalization, seal up the border, and deport the illegals in here now or at least give them time to relocate back. NO AMNESTY! Amnesty only does ONE thing, encourage illegals to find some other way into this country... tell the illegals now that there will NEVER EVER be Amnesty in this country again and you will see less illegals trying to come here as we confiscate everything they have so it is not worthwhile for them to come here illegally...
I agree for the most part.

Admittedly; if 80-90% of the illegals self deported------including their Anchor Babies, harsher measures may not be needed.

Anchor Babies: cancel birthright citizenship for those born, say after January 1st, 2009 and grandfather the extant ones (12-31-2008 on down) in.

As for the Anchors born before the above date; they would still qualify to return to the USA on their 18th birthdays, just that for some odd reason I do not 'see' many actually doing so. Maybe because Mexico (the source of most illegals) will have improved that much.
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:20 AM
 
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cross border trucking was a provision of NAFTA which was signed into law by William Jefferson Clinton.

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Why no mention of who suggested Mexican truckers should get a pass and be able to truck their goods inside our country in flagrant disregard for our laws anyway?

There wouldn't be any Mexican trucker dispute or discussion if Bush didn't propose to allow their trucks to skirt US law.

GW pushed through the lifting of DOT regulations. Seems to me, Bush is the more proper target if you want to address where the problem came from....
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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cross border trucking was a provision of NAFTA which was signed into law by William Jefferson Clinton.

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Suffice to say; there is plenty of blame to go around-------both Democrat and Republican.
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:39 AM
 
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I agree for the most part.

Admittedly; if 80-90% of the illegals self deported------including their Anchor Babies, harsher measures may not be needed.

Anchor Babies: cancel birthright citizenship for those born, say after January 1st, 2009 and grandfather the extant ones (12-31-2008 on down) in.

As for the Anchors born before the above date; they would still qualify to return to the USA on their 18th birthdays, just that for some odd reason I do not 'see' many actually doing so. Maybe because Mexico (the source of most illegals) will have improved that much.
Why have a whole more year of pregnant illegals coming over here to give birth on the taxpayer dime?

End the anchor baby program now. And encourage these parents to take their children home with them when they go. These children are also Mexican citizens and many will likely grow up in Mexico and be successful there and decide to stay and build their country up.
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Old 12-22-2007, 10:29 PM
 
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cross border trucking was a provision of NAFTA which was signed into law by William Jefferson Clinton.

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I'll not bother addressing your childish playground epithet...

But it can't be left uncorrected, your obvious lack of knowledge concerning NAFTA and GW Bush's lifting of regulations to allow Mexican cross border trucking.

Bush not only went far beyond NAFTA, but Clinton never allowed NAFTA to stop him from extending and enforcing the ban on Mexican cross border trucking.

Bush lifted both transportation regulations and safety laws but also environmental treaty terms to open the borders to cross border Mexican trucking.

NAFTA was signed by HW Bush before Clinton had been elected, it's a treaty, and HW Bush signed it on fast track authority before his term ended, it was finally ratified by Congress on a narrow Republican majority vote during Clinton's term.

The cross border trucking described in NAFTA required Mexican trucks to observe the same DOT regulations as US trucks. This was also enforced by the NEPA which Clinton did push through and sign.

Despite the provisions in NAFTA, Clinton still banned Mexican truckers citing safety concerns.

And in 2001, Congress reinforced Clinton's ban by enacting Section 350 of the DOT Appropriations Act.

It mandated that even if a future President lifted the moratorium, the Mexican trucks would not be permitted to roll unless they were held to the regulations that apply to US trucks. Congress re-enacted Section 350 in 2002 and 2003.

In January 2003, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled in favor that section 350 would stand after a legal test was brought forth.

But by that time, President Bush had lifted the moratorium on his own.

As you know, Bush doesn't care what the law says, he does what he wants to do, and he wanted to invite in Mexican truckers with little or no regulation.

On June 7, 2004,the Roberts Supreme Court found a way to questionably strike down the safeguards in NEPA and parts of the Clean Air Act, paving the way for Bush to propose additional lifting of DOT regulations on Mexican truckers.

Bush appointed a new head to FMCSA Administrator in 2001, and they began cutting regulations on the truckers. In loosening the long held standards, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration was fulfilling Bush’s broader pledge to open the borders to Mexican trucking.

In the last six years, the White House has embarked on a wholesale strategy of deregulation, the most deregulation in more than a generation.

Unopposed by the then Republican-led Congress, federal agencies led by former industry officials appointed by Bush, have methodically reduced what regulation used to protect American interests, and the eliminated enforcement of most regulations still in place.

Next time you want to tell someone what's what, do try to find out if your information is based on any reality, or if it's just something some other uninformed person might have told you without them having any clue either.

That will assist you in the future, it might keep you from stating false information, and then having to be corrected.
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Old 12-12-2009, 06:36 PM
 
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Well you know how some people are they want to tell people to get out of our country and expect then to welcome us to there country makes since to me what did they think would happen we should sweep off our own back porch before we go complaining about the neighbors
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Old 12-12-2009, 07:01 PM
 
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Well you know how some people are they want to tell people to get out of our country and expect then to welcome us to there country makes since to me what did they think would happen we should sweep off our own back porch before we go complaining about the neighbors
Trust me: michelle; us Americans are 'cleaning our porches' as we speak-------------read that booting out illegal aliens in droves.
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Old 12-12-2009, 07:43 PM
 
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Well you know how some people are they want to tell people to get out of our country and expect then to welcome us to there country makes since to me what did they think would happen we should sweep off our own back porch before we go complaining about the neighbors
Here is your clue in your own post...."some". Most Americans are not illegally invading another country so most Americans have the right to expect our own immigration laws respected.
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Old 12-12-2009, 09:20 PM
 
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cross border trucking was a provision of NAFTA which was signed into law by William Jefferson Clinton.

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The irony of it is that Mexico has much lower standards for Truck maintenance is much lower than our own or Canada's. As a result we have what we consider to be unsafe trucks driving on our highways. Trucks no US company would dare put on the road.
NAFTA was to benefit Mexico and Mexico alone.
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