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Old 12-23-2007, 01:50 PM
 
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This is good and it makes sense. Go ahead and cry racism and/or bigotry you pro-illegal criminal lovers. These type of laws and actions are going to spread and keep spreading until we rid the country of the vermin.

Cops in Scottsdale, Ariz., now routinely ask suspects for proof of citizenship
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Old 12-23-2007, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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This is good and it makes sense. Go ahead and cry racism and/or bigotry you pro-illegal criminal lovers. These type of laws and actions are going to spread and keep spreading until we rid the country of the vermin.

Cops in Scottsdale, Ariz., now routinely ask suspects for proof of citizenship
Needless to say; I fully support the new rule------it applies to all people contacted by the Scottsdale PD.
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Old 12-23-2007, 02:07 PM
 
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Default How does a local cop know who is a citizen?

Does the local cop on the beat who pulls me over know I am a citizen just because I have a Drivers License? I could have got my licence in one of those States, like Oregon or Maryland, who give them out to anyone. Does the cop have access to a list of everyone who is legal in this country? If such a list exists, then employers should have access to it. ??
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Old 12-23-2007, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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This is good and it makes sense. Go ahead and cry racism and/or bigotry you pro-illegal criminal lovers. These type of laws and actions are going to spread and keep spreading until we rid the country of the vermin.
Makes sense to me, Ozark-Baby

I have never understood this ridiculous approach some Law Enforcement Agencies have with "picking and choosing" which laws they prefer to enforce. What kind of logic is that? Are they not paid and sworn to enforce ALL LAWS?
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:17 PM
 
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Does the local cop on the beat who pulls me over know I am a citizen just because I have a Drivers License? I could have got my licence in one of those States, like Oregon or Maryland, who give them out to anyone. Does the cop have access to a list of everyone who is legal in this country? If such a list exists, then employers should have access to it. ??

Well of course if you can't speak English and your drivers license is from Oregon or Maryland where there aren't likely many "native" speakers of Spanish then yes -- they should look further into your status.

It shouldn't be too difficult to check for citizenship -- border patrol agents do it all the time.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:52 PM
 
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Does the local cop on the beat who pulls me over know I am a citizen just because I have a Drivers License? I could have got my licence in one of those States, like Oregon or Maryland, who give them out to anyone. Does the cop have access to a list of everyone who is legal in this country? If such a list exists, then employers should have access to it. ??
The article states that they ask for “proof” of citizenship. The only proof people have of citizenship is their official birth certificate or a passport. Those documents establish and prove citizenship. How many people travel around the US with their birth certificate or passport to be able to “prove” they are a citizen.

A driver’s license does not establish any type of citizenship, it only establishes residency; which is why any legal resident who is not a US citizen can legally obtain a driver’s license.
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Old 12-24-2007, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The article states that they ask for “proof” of citizenship. The only proof people have of citizenship is their official birth certificate or a passport. Those documents establish and prove citizenship. How many people travel around the US with their birth certificate or passport to be able to “prove” they are a citizen.

A driver’s license does not establish any type of citizenship, it only establishes residency; which is why any legal resident who is not a US citizen can legally obtain a driver’s license.
True that many illegals will slip through the net; just that in many cases, the info on drivers licenses will cross over on a database.

That illegal who shot the Phx cop a while back; he had already been stopped/arrested by the Scottsdale police a year prior and his country of birth (Mexico) was on record.

Bottom line: with the growing co-operation between different agencies both state and Federal, the dragnet is becoming stronger and stronger------less chance of 'slipping through the cracks' as it were.
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Old 12-24-2007, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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The article states that they ask for “proof” of citizenship. The only proof people have of citizenship is their official birth certificate or a passport. Those documents establish and prove citizenship. How many people travel around the US with their birth certificate or passport to be able to “prove” they are a citizen.

A driver’s license does not establish any type of citizenship, it only establishes residency; which is why any legal resident who is not a US citizen can legally obtain a driver’s license.
Very very true, Madicarus

However, any and all attempts by Law Enforcement to fix this horrible Illegal problem is better than the sanctuary bs.
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Old 12-24-2007, 04:53 PM
 
Location: NM
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How many people travel around the US with their birth certificate or passport to be able to “prove” they are a citizen.
If they don't carry them, then now is the time to start carrying them. I have no reason to be upset if I am asked for proof. I don't currently carry my Birth cert but the more I think about it the more I like the idea. It doesn't cost very much to get an extra certified copy.
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Old 12-24-2007, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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If they don't carry them, then now is the time to start carrying them. I have no reason to be upset if I am asked for proof. I don't currently carry my Birth cert but the more I think about it the more I like the idea. It doesn't cost very much to get an extra certified copy.
Great point, Choctaw . . .

If one has nothing to hide . . . NO BIGGEE!
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