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Old 12-24-2007, 12:28 PM
 
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Default How many here have had their jobs stolen

I keep hearing the argument about uneducated illegal immigrants stealing our jobs. So i want to know how many people here have lost their jobs to illegal immigrants. If so, what kind of job was it?
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Old 12-24-2007, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I keep hearing the argument about uneducated illegal immigrants stealing our jobs. So i want to know how many people here have lost their jobs to illegal immigrants. If so, what kind of job was it?
Many service industry jobs - including those in tourism, and food service

As an example, when several McDonalds were raided not too long ago, ICE detained over 50 illegal immigrants working there. Those jobs became vacant.

They were filled, within 2 days, by LEGAL residents and citizens who were only too happy to work -
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Old 12-24-2007, 12:44 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Sign Industry - design work is now exported to Phillipines while the fabrication and installation of signage--the craft my family has been in and honed to perfection for over 100 years--is done by illegal aliens working for seven to eight dollars an hour. I worked for a large sign company in Los Angeles as a project manager (the only "job" in the sign industry left for experienced Americans). Not a person in the shop (about 75 employees) spoke English save for the foreman. The hiring practices were a sort of don't ask, don't tell situation.

And people wonder why these channel letters and sign cans short out and start fires months after they're installed.....
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Old 12-24-2007, 12:53 PM
 
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I think that among middle to upper middle class Americans, the jobs being 'stolen' are through outsourcing. In Austin, a 'tech' city, Dell and others close entire development teams and outsource that work to India and China. They do get what they pay for, as some jobs are starting to come back.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:00 PM
 
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I wanted to know how many people PERSONALLY lost a job to an illegal immigrant? Or even if you know anyone PERSONALLY who did.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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I wanted to know how many people PERSONALLY lost a job to an illegal immigrant? Or even if you know anyone PERSONALLY who did.
Me...along with:

Three uncles. My grandfather and father both died after retirement and were saved the humiliation of being underbid by shops employing illegals. A nearly full generation of male cousins who were all brought up in this industry with my sister and me as the "rogue" women who learned and worked right along side of them. My sister is still struggling in the industry in central California and is able to survive as long as she doesn't venture back into electrical signage.

It's ironic. I spent all of my twenties just struggling to be accepted as a competent fabricator and installer in a male dominated industry only to be bounced out by illegal aliens who will work for 1/3 the wage of a journeyman sign installer with none of the experience, capability, or dedication to a craft that years of working in this industry brings to the job.

So...that numbers approximately 23 people in my immediate family alone. Probably not good enough, eh? Look in the phone book in any decent sized city under Signs. You can bet that the majority of the large shops now employ illegal aliens to do the work that Americans have done for generations. Considering that most large fabrication and/or installation sign shops employ between 25 to 200 people to do those jobs, perhaps by doing the math, you can figure out just how many Americans in the sign industry have lost their jobs to illegal aliens.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Damn shame, Kele!

Something has definitely got to be done and the sooner the better!
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:34 PM
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Location: Arlington, Virginia
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Well my best friend, who is a legal hispanic who is fluent in english, lost his electrician job b/c his boss could hire an illegal at one third of my friend's cost.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Kele and Alanboy395: there will be justice--------trust me.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:50 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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So, low end low paying jobs are lost. How many Electrical Engineers, architects, college professors, computer engineers, airline pilots, Website designers have lost their jobs.

A hundred years ago men were complaining about the horseless carriages taking away good jobs, not nearly the need for manure shovelers, harness makers, farriers.

Saddle making was a good and honorable skilled job. Not much market for saddle makers anymore.

Times change, needs change, if you are not willing to change you may go right under the bus.

As far as any meaningful change to immigration policy, it will happen when the oligarchs that run this country want it to happen, not because of the whining by the powerless citizenry.
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